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<DIV>Quint,<BR>"As is supposed..." means it is pure speculation with nothing to
back it up. <BR>That is why I have traveled to Scotland and England in an
attempt to track <BR>down primary source materials. That is also why I
believe that David <BR>Thomson of Corstorphine is the only one by that name from
that time period <BR>that fits all the criteria. He is a well-educated,
Scottish "gentleman" <BR>(strict rules as to who would qualify) who was a
scholar (David from <BR>Corstorphine was a Philosophy major at the University of
Edinburg) and well <BR>connected (through his step mother, Agnes Foullis)
he was of the family of <BR>the Sec'y of State of Scotland Thomas Hamilton, the
Earl of Haddington; <BR>David Foulis, the ambassador from Scotland to England,
and his step-brother, <BR>Adam Hepburn, was the legal clerk to Haddington and
became a senator.<BR><BR>Thomas Morton in the New English Canaan describes David
as a Scottish <BR>Gentleman, a scholar and traveler. Others also described
Thomson as a <BR>Scotsman. How would they know this if he didn't have a
Scottish accent. <BR>David signed his name as "Thomson" though English documents
list him as <BR>Thompson (the English variant of the name.) An individual
would be jailed <BR>if they referred to themselves as a Gentleman and they were
not. David is <BR>referred to as Mr. David Thompson, Gent. in the 1623
Massachusetts grant <BR>naming him Governor on behalf of the Council for New
England. It is signed <BR>by Ludvick Stuart, the Duke of Lennox (King
James's beloved cousin), the <BR>Marquis of Hamilton (highest ranking, next to
the Duke, who use to ride <BR>through Corsptorphine on horseback) and Thomas
Howard, the Earl of Arundel <BR>who was the Earl Marshall - in charge of
heraldry for England. David wrote <BR>a three page letter to the Earl that
he preserved in his library (it is <BR>posted on the Tommie website.) I have
never found a reference to David among <BR>Sir Ferdinando Gorges papers, nor
does David reference him though they <BR>worked together as peers for the
Council for New England and clearly knew <BR>one another. Gorges obtained
power after King James, Hamilton, and Lennox <BR>died suddenly (suspicious
circumstances) and Arundel was sent to the Tower <BR>because his son married
Arabella Stuart which made the family eligible for <BR>assuming the throne of
England. He was later released and William Crowne <BR>became his clerk as
a young man. Later, we find Crowne living in Mendon <BR>where he knew John
Thompson.<BR><BR>David and Amias wrote fluently as documents prove. Our
Thompson ancestors <BR>also seem to have been quite fluent. Even my
grandfather in the 1700s in <BR>Richmond, Vermont wrote fluently and therefore
was a town official - I have <BR>copies of his handwriting I obtained from the
Vermont archives.<BR><BR>To make an assumption that David Thom(p)son was the son
of a household <BR>servant was based on finding someone of that name in the
records from the <BR>outskirts of London where Ferdinando Gorges once
lived. I have never found <BR>evidence (only speculation) that his family
was connected with the Gorges <BR>household. Later Gorges is at the port
in Plymouth where a David Thom(p)son <BR>married Amias Coles. An English
minister writing the name into a registry <BR>would spell it with a P.
David spelled his name without a P - based on his <BR>signature. The idea
that a household servant from London would somehow <BR>transform himself into a
well-respected and highly connected and educated <BR>Scottish Gentleman who is
given grants equal to a Barony is ridiculous.<BR><BR>The man who conducted the
genealogical investigation into the Thomson's of <BR>Corstorphine was one of the
most respected genealogist of his time - <BR>Theodore Radford Thomson - (A
Catalogue of British Family Histories) I have <BR>been able to verify most
of what he writes but cannot find the final link <BR>tying him to Robert II of
Scotland - though based on everything else around <BR>this family - it appears
to be so - including David's father, Magister Rev. <BR>Richard Thomson's
preferment's from King James I- he averaged close to 600 <BR>lbs per year in the
late 1500s - not your typical parish minister's salary. <BR>David is named heir
to his father in 1607 (when he came of age) and is also <BR>listed in a lawsuit
with his step mother to obtain some teinds from one of <BR>his father's former
parishes. Alexander, the Earl of Home is their <BR>lawyer - a
favorite of the King.<BR><BR>The book on the Thomson's of Corstorphine mentions
David but focuses on <BR>Theodore Radford Thomson's ancestors, as might be
expected. The family had <BR>married into the Forrester's of Corstophine
and shared a Sinclair <BR>grandmother whose brother built Roslyn Castle (check
out the DaVinci code.) <BR>Their father, Henry Sinclair, legend has it, traveled
to North America 100 <BR>years prior to Columbus.<BR><BR>Genevieve<BR>PS
The Mendon genealogies mention the name Ferdinando - obviously, the <BR>families
had been tied in with Ferdinando Gorges. Robert, his son, had <BR>traveled
to Massachusetts to claim his grant but couldn't stand the place <BR>and
left. Some of his companions stayed on - including the gentleman,
<BR>Samuel Maverick.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Genevieve Fraser<BR>Faculty<BR>University of
Phoenix<BR><A
href="mailto:1mackenzie@email.phoenix.edu">1mackenzie@email.phoenix.edu</A><BR><A
href="mailto:gcfraser@peoplepc.com">gcfraser@peoplepc.com</A><BR>(978)
544-1872<BR>(978) 846-8719 (cell)<BR>Pacific Time Zone<BR><BR><BR>----- Original
Message ----- <BR>From: <<A
href="mailto:quintinth@aol.com">quintinth@aol.com</A>><BR>To: <<A
href="mailto:gcfraser@peoplepc.com">gcfraser@peoplepc.com</A>><BR>Sent:
Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:36 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [Tommies] John Thompson,
son of David<BR><BR><BR>Hi, No source that I can see. He does say, "---as
is supposed." As to<BR>whether or not he is referring to 'brothers' or
'patriarchs' I do
not<BR>know.<BR> I first
came across this book ( a good copy) in the History<BR>section of the Library at
Toledo, Ohio while researching Earl Thompson,<BR>son of Charles Blancher
Thompson. At the time I thought it would help<BR>in my quest so I made
copies of some pages. Later, I had gone to the<BR>Woburn, MA library because one
family tree of CBT went north from<BR>Mendon, MA to Woburn. At the Woburn
library there was another copy of<BR>the book. It was well worn (hold
together by a ribbon to contain loose<BR>pages) and with handwritten
entrys. I made some copies from this
book.<BR> The recent
questions on the Tommies web site caused me to<BR>revisit what I had copied thus
the inquiry. At least Durham is a common<BR>denominator. :)
Quint<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:gcfraser@peoplepc.com">gcfraser@peoplepc.com</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:quintinth@aol.com">quintinth@aol.com</A><BR>Sent: Wed, 4 Feb 2009
11:12 pm<BR>Subject: Re: [Tommies] John Thompson, son of
David<BR><BR>Quint. What were the sources for Rev. Thompson's claim?
Or was it<BR>speculation? There was another Thompson family that settled
in the<BR>Durham<BR>NH area. A long time ago I tried to make a link and
there didn't seem<BR>to be<BR>one.<BR>Genevieve<BR><BR><BR>----- Original
Message -----<BR>From: <<A
href="mailto:quintinth@aol.com">quintinth@aol.com</A>><BR>To: <<A
href="mailto:gcfraser@peoplepc.com">gcfraser@peoplepc.com</A>><BR>Sent:20Wednesday,
February 04, 2009 2:02 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Tommies] John Thompson, son of
David<BR><BR><BR>Hi, Backing up some generations I have a
question.<BR>
What about Robert?<BR><BR> In the book ‘Memorial of James
Thompson--” by Rev. Leander Thompson,<BR>A.M. Boston, 1887 on page 6 it
says, “Another family is said to have<BR>settled in or near Portsmouth, N.H.,
about 1623, or a little later.<BR>Two BROTHERS. David and Robert, as is
supposed, were the patriarchs.<BR>David was the agent of Mason and Gorges, and
subsequently lived on an<BR>island, which still bears his name, in the Boston
Harbor. Robert<BR>ultimately settled in or near Durham, N. H., and his
descendants are<BR>still found in that town and elsewhere, in large
numbers.”<BR> In the genealogy that I have there is no
Robert, son of Richard &<BR>Florence (Cromlan), the parents of David (wife
Amyes Colle)<BR>Thompson/Thomson.<BR> Can anyone
explain. Quint Thompson<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
<A href="mailto:gcfraser@peoplepc.com">gcfraser@peoplepc.com</A><BR>Sent: Tue, 3
Feb 2009 9:44 pm<BR>Subject: Re: [Tommies] John Thompson, son of
David<BR><BR>Betty,<BR>Thanks for taking the time to research the
RIHS<BR>records. Mrs. Haviland also wrote on Medfield and Uxbridge
History.<BR>Uxbridge is important if you are looking for a Quaker connection
-<BR>which I<BR>suspect from one of my ancestors who moved to Smithfield, RI - a
Quaker<BR>hotbed<BR>that met in Uxbridge for meetings. Medfield is where o<BR>ur
ancestors<BR>escaped<BR>to when the Indians turned their anger on Mendon during
the King Philip<BR>Wa<BR>r.<BR><BR>Along with the date of birth, the association
with the<BR>Whites in Weymouth and Mendon, and William Crowne offer
additional<BR>clues.<BR>Crowne was also associated with Thomas Howard, the Earl
of<BR>Arundel as was David Thomson (remember his 3-page<BR>letter in 1625 to the
Earl.) Also, Samuel Maverick also held land in<BR>Weymouth. It was where the
Gorges associated folks lived while the<BR>Pilgrims and Puritans spread their
wings throughout the<BR>Commonwealth.<BR><BR>Refer back to the Massachusetts
grant naming David as the<BR>governor under the Council for New England. He is
referred to Mr.<BR>David<BR>Thompson, Gent. To use Mr. and Gent. in the same
title is<BR>redundant. It is believed by at least one major historian,
David<BR>Howarth,<BR>author of Arundel and His Circle, that David was a ship's
Master. I<BR>have<BR>also found a Mr. Thompson, Master of the ship Jonathan in
early<BR>Virginia Records<BR>- about 1619. Recall the letter - he mentions his
impression of folks<BR>in the South - not flattering.<BR><BR>John was referred
to as Mr. John Thompson when he was a<BR>ship's master, but we all know he lost
everything. Goodman means<BR>landowner. A person can be more than one thing in
one's lifetime.<BR>Frankly, I find Richardson's analysis to be idiotic. Because
he is<BR>referred to as Goodman in Mendon he cannot be the same person as
Mr.<BR>John<BR>Thomson - a title he held when he was=2<BR>0a ship's
master!!<BR><BR><BR>Best Wishes,<BR>Genevieve<BR>PS The Mendon Families by
Havilard is also on<BR>microfilm available from Mormon Research
Centers.<BR><BR><BR><BR> ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From:<BR> morrisb<BR><BR> To: 'Discussion list for David
THOMSON<BR> & Amias COLE descendantsandresearchers.'<BR> Sent:
Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:00<BR> PM<BR> Subject: Re: [Tommies]
John Thompson, son<BR> of David<BR><BR><BR> Genevieve,<BR>
Yes, I<BR> believe it is probably the book you describe. Early last
month Ms.<BR>Lee<BR> Teverow, Reference Librarian at the RIHS,
answered my inquiry about<BR>a<BR> hand-written book of records or
recollections about early Mendon.<BR>She<BR> wrote:<BR><BR> "Thank
you for your inquiry regarding the book<BR> about Mendon, MA. There
are two items listed in our catalog that<BR>might be what<BR> you're
looking for. The first is "Mendon families," by Elizabeth<BR>Seamans<BR>
Haviland (RR F 74 .M59 H28) and it comprises 5 volumes of
handwritten<BR> genealogical materials arranged alphabetically by
name of family. The<BR>second<BR> is "The proprietors records of the
town of Mendon, MA, incorporated<BR>May 15,<BR> 1667," transcribed from
manuscript records (RR F 74 M59 M54.)"<BR> I asked<BR>
Christine Lamar, a researcher on the list that Ms. Teverow sent to<BR>me, to
look<BR> at these two books with our problem of identifying John
Th<BR>ompson of<BR>Mendon<BR> with John Thompson, son of David
and<BR> heir to Thompson's Island in<BR>mind.<BR> She reported as
follows:<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
"The<BR> two books you suggested
I evaluate are as described. I was
not<BR>allowed<BR> to make copies from
either:<BR><BR>1. The Proprietors Records of
Mendon,<BR> Massachusetts,
incorporated May 15, 1667. Boston, Rockwell
&<BR> Churchill Press, 1899.
It is a printed transcript produced by<BR>members
of<BR> committees from six
Massachusetts towns. It is land records<BR>which do
not<BR> appear to add anything
definitive to your David/John
Thompson<BR> question.<BR><BR>2.
Mendon Families by Mrs. Frank Haviland. n.d.
(ca.<BR> 1901-1929) unpub.,
unpaged, bound mss in 5 v. The volume I<BR>looked at
was<BR> V. 5 TH-Z.<BR>Contained the
following:<BR><BR>David and Amyes<BR>
(sic)<BR>son John Thomson 1619- 9 Nov 1685, m. Sarah<BR>son John
b.<BR> 1642- 1715 m. Thankful
Woodland<BR>dau Mehitable (no birth date
given)<BR> m. Samuel Hayward 9 June
1670<BR>dau Sarah b. 2 July 1644 m.
John<BR> Aldrich 1678 son of George
and Catherine<BR><BR>A list of John's-
b.<BR> 1642- children was also given
as follows.<BR>John 1667-1749 one of
the<BR> early settlers of
Bellingham<BR>Sarah 12 May=2<BR>01669<BR>Ebenezer 1
Oct<BR> 1677<BR>Samuel 4 Feb
1679-1704<BR>=0<BR>AWoodland 27 Jan 1681<BR>Benjamin
17<BR> Sept 1681<BR>David 24 May
1687<BR>Hannah 3 Aug 1689<BR><BR>There
was<BR> no indication of sources or
mention of Thompson's<BR>
Island."<BR><BR> Ms.
Lamar<BR> looked at other
sources at RIHS but found nothing that<BR>suggested
that<BR> John Thompson of
Thompson's Island was the same as John<BR>Thompson
of<BR> Mendon. Except for the
fact that they were born in the
same<BR>year<BR> and that John
Jr. of Mendon named a son David, either
man's<BR>timeline<BR> stands
independent of the other's. There is nothing
that<BR> contradicts their being
the same man (except
Douglas<BR>Richardson's<BR> article)
but nothing connects them, either. I hate to
continue<BR> claiming David as
an ancestor when respected genealogists seem<BR>to
doubt<BR> it. Let's hope we can find
the "smoking<BR>
gun"!<BR><BR> Betty<BR>
Lou.<BR><BR><BR> -----Original
Message-----<BR>From:<BR> <A
href="mailto:tommies-bounces@wellswooster.com">tommies-bounces@wellswooster.com</A><BR>[mailto:tommies-bounces@wellswooster.com]On<BR>
Behalf Of <A
href="mailto:gcfraser@peoplepc.com">gcfraser@peoplepc.com</A><BR>Sent: Monday,
February 02, 2009 11:16<BR> PM<BR>To: Discussion list for
David THOMSON<BR> & Amias COLE<BR>
descendantsandresearchers.<BR>Subject: Re: [Tommies] John Thompson, son
of<BR> David<BR><BR><BR>
Betty,<BR> Is the<BR> Mendon Families a cloth
bound,<BR> hand-sewn document which mentions Amias and
David at the top of the<BR>Thompson<BR>
section?<BR> Genevieve<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
From: morrisb<BR><BR><BR> To: 'Discussion list for
David<BR> THOMSON & Amias COLE
descendantsandresearchers.'<BR><BR> Sent: Monday,
February 02, 2009 3:28<BR>
PM<BR> Subject: [Tommies] John
Thompson,<BR> son of
David<BR><BR><BR> To Gen Fraser and all Tommies:
Trying to find<BR> evidence that John
Thompson son of David and John Thompson of<BR>Weymouth
and<BR> Mendon are one and the same person,
I followed your clue that<BR>there was a<BR>
hand-written item at the Rhode Island Historical Society library<BR>with
this<BR> information. I contacted the
reference librarian there and
was<BR>told<BR> they had two items that were
hand-written and concerned Mendon.<BR>I<BR> hired
a researcher from the library's list to look at these
two<BR> items.<BR>
One was The Proprietors' Records of<BR> Mendon,
mostly land records, and does not "appear to add
anything<BR> definitive to our=2<BR>0David/John
Thompson<BR>
question."<BR>
The<BR> second is Mendon Families by Mrs. Frank
Haviland, n.d..(about<BR> 1901-1929) and
repeats the lineage of David to John and through<BR>the
Mendon<BR> 20 Thompsons -- as we have long accepted it to be
--but includes no<BR>
sources.<BR>
I<BR> continue to hope we will find proof
someday that our John<BR>Thompson, of<BR> Weymouth
and Mendon was the same person as John Thompson, son
of<BR> David. The two men were born in the same
year and tradition says<BR> they were the
same man but we need more than this to
convince<BR>other<BR>
genealogists.<BR>
Betty<BR>
Lou<BR><BR> -----Original
Message-----[Betty Lou<BR> Morris]
,<BR>From:<BR> <A
href="mailto:tommies-bounces@wellswooster.com">tommies-bounces@wellswooster.com</A><BR>
[mailto:tommies-bounces@wellswooster.com]On Behalf Of
morrisb<BR>Sent:<BR> Wednesday,
December 31, 2008 3:41 PM<BR>To: 'Discussion list for
David<BR> THOMSON & Amias COLE
descendantsandresearchers.'<BR>Subject:
Re:<BR> [Tommies] Welcome Sharon
Thompson from<BR>
Alberta<BR><BR><BR> Thanks, Gen, for
your response about the<BR>
proof that John, son of David Thompson, was the same person
as<BR>John<BR> Thompson of
Mendon. I wonder if<BR>any of the Tommies has
in<BR>his/her<BR> records the
citations for the date, place and source for (1)<BR>the
birth<BR> of John, son of David and
(2) John of Mendon? Does anyone<BR>
have a citation for the late 18th/early 19th<BR>
20 century hand-written book from Mendon at the Rhode
Island<BR> Historical Society that
lists David as the father of John?
I<BR> looked at the RIHS online
catalogue and did not find it
there.<BR> Does anyone on the Tommies
list have access to that<BR>
library?<BR><BR> Betty
Lou<BR><BR> -----Original
Message-----<BR>From:<BR>
<A
href="mailto:tommies-bounces@wellswooster.com">tommies-bounces@wellswooster.com</A><BR>
[mailto:tommies-bounces@wellswooster.com]On Behalf
Of<BR> <A
href="mailto:gcfraser@peoplepc.com">gcfraser@peoplepc.com</A><BR>Sent: Friday,
December 26, 2008
11:24<BR> PM<BR>To:
Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias
COLE<BR>
descendantsandresearchers.<BR>Subject: Re: [Tommies] Welcome
Sharon<BR> Thompson from
Alberta<BR><BR><BR> Betty
Lou,<BR> I don't have the
facts at my
fingertips,<BR> but
John of Mendon was the same age as John, David's
son.<BR>There<BR>
are other reasons too including a late 18th century/early<BR>19th
century<BR><BR> handwritten book in the RI historical society
from Mendon<BR>that
lists<BR> David as the
father of John.<BR>
Genevieve<BR><BR>
----- Original Message
-----<BR><BR>
From:<BR>
Quintin<BR>
Thompson<BR>
T<BR>o: Discussion list
for<BR> David
THOMSON & Amias COLE
descendants<BR>
andresearchers.<BR>
Sent: Friday, December
26,<BR> 2008
11:11 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: [Tommies]
Welcome<BR>
Sharon Thompson from Alberta<BR><BR>Hi, Gen sometime
ago<BR>
you gave remarks supporting this claim. I have a print
out<BR>of<BR>
it. Maybe you can up date it and pass it on to
Betty<BR> Lou.
Quint<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
On Dec 16, 2008, at 4:41 PM,
morrisb<BR>
wrote:<BR><BR><BR>
Let me add my greetings of welcome
to<BR>
you, Sharon. We Tommies are a pretty scattered
and<BR>diverse<BR>
group, but we all claim David Thompson as an
ancestor.<BR>
My particular hang up is the question of proof that
John<BR>Thompson<BR>0A
of Mendon, MA, from whom we all descend, is the same<BR>man<BR>as
John<BR>
Thompson, son of David. If you have any information
to<BR>help<BR>
with this, please let us
know.<BR>
Betty
Lou<BR>
Morris<BR>
Mount Clemens,<BR>
20
MI<BR><BR>
-----Original
Message-----<BR>From:<BR>
<A
href="mailto:tommies-bounces@wellswooster.com">tommies-bounces@wellswooster.com</A><BR>[mailto:tommies-bounces@wellswooster.com]On<BR>
Behalf Of Alyce Elliott<BR>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008
8:36<BR>
PM<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:dick@hodgman.org">dick@hodgman.org</A>;<BR>
Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias
COLE<BR>descendants<BR>
andresearchers.<BR>Subject: Re: [Tommies] Welcome
Sharon<BR>
Thompson from
Alberta<BR><BR>Hi<BR>
Sharon, thanks for joining us. I believe I know
your<BR>Uncle<BR>
Frank, if it's the same Frank Thompson -- met him
on<BR>this<BR>
list. You and I (and others on the list
including<BR>Frank)<BR>
share an ancestor: C. B. Thompson, my
great<BR>grandfather.<BR>
=2<BR>0 I'm eleventh generation wrt David Thomson, see my
line<BR>
here:<BR><A
href="http://www.wellswooster.com/tommies/alyce.htm">http://www.wellswooster.com/tommies/alyce.htm</A><BR><BR>Do<BR>
we have the same line in common? At least up
to<BR>
Charles? Welcome to the Tommies list and I look<BR>forward
to<BR>
seeing further posts from you.<BR><BR>Alyce
Thompson<BR>
=2<BR>0 Elliott<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>At 10:11 AM
12/14/2008,
you<BR>
wrote:<BR><BR>
Tommies,<BR><BR>On Monday,
11/17/08,I<BR>
received the Fall 2008 newsletter from Thompson<BR>Island
Outward<BR>
Bound. On the back page (attached to this
message),<BR>I<BR>
found that Sharon Thompson of Alberta, Canada
had<BR>visited<BR>
Thompson Island and wanted to reach out to
other<BR>descendants<BR>
of David Thompson. I contacted her by email, gave<BR>her
a<BR>
synopsis of our 2001 (Re)union, and pointed her to<BR>the
Tommies<BR>
website. She has joined our email list.<BR><BR><BR>Please join me in welcoming
Sharon to our
group.<BR><BR><BR>--Dick<BR>===========3D================<BR>Dick<BR>
Hodgman<BR><A href="mailto:dick@hodgman.org">dick@hodgman.org</A><BR><A
href="http://hodgman.org/">http://hodgman.org/</A><BR><BR>p.s.<BR>
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