[Tommies] John Thompson and David's fishing post
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gcfraser at peoplepc.com
Mon Feb 23 02:53:42 EST 2009
Virginia,
I have spent many years trying to connect David Thomson with Maurice Thompson and have found nothing except for this - David was at Cape Anne in 1625 and witnessed an altercation with Miles Standish, based on a statement he makes to the Earl of Arundel in his letter. I believe Maurice's fishing station was at Cape Anne.
Maurice is related to Robert Thompson who had property in Boston for a time. His son was Sir John Thompson aka Baran Haversham. Maurice's son, Sir John married at Clerkenswell (family home of Ferdinado Gorges). But Maurice Thompson was a Puritan and hated the King. David Thomson was a King's man and a Scotsman like the King. Maurice also had a brother, Sir William who was a business associate of Samuel Maverick.
Genevieve
PS One genealogy lists these Thompson's as being from Ye North... (might that be Scotland? ) Other things I have found suggest the family was originally from Wales.
Maurice Thompson1
M, #117697
Last Edited=19 Jun 2004
Maurice Thompson married Dorothy Vaux, daughter of John Vaux.
Maurice Thompson was a very successful 'merchant adventurer', including dealing in slaves.2 He lived at Haversham, Buckinghamshire, England.1
Children of Maurice Thompson and Dorothy Vaux
a.. Elizabeth Thompson+ d. b Dec 17093
b.. Sir John Thompson, 1st Baron Haversham+ b. c 1648, d. 1 Nov 17101 Maurice Thomson
of Watton, Hertfordshire.
Maurice Thomson was a wealthy Puritan merchant of good family and a supporter of Cromwell's Government. He was the eldest of the five sons of Robert Thomson & Elizabeth Harsnett of Watton, Hertfordshire.
In 1632 the Governor of the Virginia colony recommended him, with two others, for a three year monopoly of all the tobacco grown in Virginia. He got into trouble in Canada and was fined 400 pounds which he would not pay and also was accused of poaching on Guinea Company preserves and he and his colleagues were arrested.
He shipped goods to the Company of Providence Island for a few years and in 1648 was appointed a commissioner from Parliament to the States of the United Provinces to obtain contributions for the Protestants of Ireland.
Upon the Restoration his connection with Cromwell was looked upon with suspicion and in 1660 he was pardoned by the king.
In 1661 he and Robert, his brother were charged with giving information to the Dutch of the English Fleet. 'Maurice Thompson was always violent against kingly government, he was intimate with the Protector, sat at the High Court of Justice, and sentenced some of the beheaded lords ... he was once a poor fellow in Virginia, but got a great estate in the wars, mostly rent out of the bowels of the King's party.' Nothing came of the charge.
One of his sisters Denise, married Elias Roberts, Jr. Another sister Mary/Maria Frances Thomson married Capt. William Tucker. It was Tucker who paid transport to America for Maurice's brothers, (Col.) George, Paul, (Maj.) Robert <Robert was born 1622 & didn't go to America in 1623> and (Sir)William in 1623.
Maurice Thomson was one of the founders of the Old Poplar Chapel in 1654. In 1655 he purchased the manor and entire parish of Elsham in Lincolnshire. He married Dorothy Vaux who died about 1678.
He had one son, John, later Lord Haversham, and three or four daughters.
His son:
A. Sir John Thompson, served in the House of Commons and, in 1696,became a Baron.
------Sir John's children:
------1-Arthur
------2-Elizabeth m. ?? Annesley
------3-Helena m. Thomas Gregory
------4-George Thompson (named by his Uncle George).
------5-Maurice, who became 2nd Baron Haversham; died 1745, ------leaving only daughters, so the baronage became extinct (Burke,
------1884).
------The children of Maurice's (2nd Baron Haversham):
------a-Hon. Elizabeth Thompson married 1724 John Carter
------b-Hon. Anne Thompson married Richard Reynolds, Esq.
B. Katherine Thomson married Sir John Wittewrong at her father's house at Stepney on 4 July 1650. They had three daughters: Katherine, Anne and Helena.
C. Elizabeth Thomson married Sir Joseph Alston of Chelsea and had three sons, Joseph, Edward and Maurice..
D. Mary Thomson, a member of the Dissenting congregation of Stepney, who married William Oldfield of Gatton, Surrey on 13 November 1655 and had two childen William.
E. Martha Thomson married Nicholas Corsellis and had one son Nicholas.
In 1650 Maurice lived at a mansion called Worcester House on Mile End Green which he sold in 1675 to the 'Church'. In 1652 he was living in Bishopsgate St. In 1672 he bought property known as the 'Vinegar Yard, Grand Alley' in Stepney. He died four years later.
The will of Maurice Thomson, Haversham, Buckinghamshire, Esq., proved 9 May 1676, contained the follows (sic) (Waters): To be buried in Haversham chancel by my dear wife. To 100 poor silenced ministers. To Helena, Elizabeth and Arthur Thomson, children of my dear son Sir John Thomson, Baronet; to Katheline, Anne and Helena Wittewrong, children of my eldest daughter, Lady Katherine Wittewrong, late wife of Sir John Wittewrong, Knight and Baronet.
My grandchildren William and Samuel Oldfield at 21; my brothers George, Sir William and Robert Thomson to be trustees for daughter Martha Corsellis. Her son Nicholas Corsellis at 26. Daughter Elizabeth and her husband Joseph Alston, Esq., and their three sons, Joseph, Edward and Maurice Alston. To Lady Frances, wife of Sir John Thomson. Property in England, Ireland, Barbadoes,Antego, St. Christophers, Virginia, the Carobee Islands, England and elsewhere.
(My thanks to Virginia Thomson, who is researching the Thomson family, for additional material. She is working on the line of Sir William Thomson. He married in 1637, Elizabeth Warner, dau. of Samuel & Julyan/Julian (Croace)Warner and they were the parents of Sir Samuel, who fathered William, Samuel, Robert, George & Thomas. Please contact her if you think you have a connection.
----- Original Message -----
From: Virginia Thomson-Baldwin
To: Tommies at wellswooster.com
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Tommies] John Thompson and David's fishing post
I've been reading the e-mails, waiting for an opportunity to make a comparison and this seems as good a time as any.
"Maurice Thomson was a man of great business enterprise and much interested in public affairs. He established a fishing station in New England, erected sugar works in Barbadoes and was Governor of the East India Company in the reign of Charles the First."
http://www.danbyrnes.com.au/business/business9.html
How colonisation provoked the transportation of offenders:
In 1620, Sir Thomas Smith (Smythe?) had been allowed to ship 20 people to the Somers Islands (Bermuda). (Within a few decades, the term "being Babadosed" came to mean being kidnapped to work on Barbados. Long later, the term was "Shanghaied"). By the 1640s, many younger people on Barbados had arrived after being kidnapped. Later, other new inhabitants included London thieves and whores, Scottish and Irish soldiers captured in Cromwell's campaigns. Cromwell did much to encourage the transportation of people deemed undesirable, but not before certain trends had earlier been set by the second Earl of Warwick, his associates, and those who answered to them. Between 1623-1624 the newly-organised Dorchester Company was granted permission by the Council of New England to fish and trade. By 1626 the company - with some members prominent Puritans - had established a settlement at Salem, promoting the idea of a Bible Commonwealth.
(By 1629, the Massachusetts Bay Company was formed with a charter from the Crown. Some Levant Company men investing in Massachusetts Bay Colony included Francis Flyer, Matthew Craddock, Samuel Vassall, Nathan Wright, men already active in America trade. It is difficult not to see them co-operating with "the Rich faction". The Massachusetts Bay Company members were merchants, some fishing men of the Dorchester Company, some London merchants and some Puritan gentry. [In 1630, some seventeen English ships sailed for Massachusetts, with 1000 persons plus provisions and animal stock].)
Renewed anti-Spanish feeling after the Sandys/Smythe squabble:
Puritanism remained a strong theme in politics. In 1628-1629 were parliamentary confrontations with the crown over unparliamentary taxation, forced loans, arbitrary imprisonment, and Arminianism and persecution of Puritans. A political opposition grouped around the Earl of Warwick, Lord Saye and Sele, and Sir Nathaniel Rich and their colonizing ventures.
Brenner, Merchants and Revolution, pp. 148ff.
It would appear that Brenner is the first historian to strongly link the second Earl of Warwick with the formerly unreported extent of the trading engaged by Maurice Thomson and Thomson's associates.
On Feb 22, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Nancy Thomson wrote:
Re: Fish
There’s a recent book (available on Amazon) called Cod: A Biography of the Fish That Changed the World that explains why English sailors came to New England looking for codfish. According to the online review: “The cod helped inspire the discovery and exploration of North America. It had a profound impact upon the economic development of New England and eastern Canada from the earliest times.” Haven’t read the book but I heard the author on the radio. As I recall, the Europeans had over-fished cod (it was a VERY popular dish then) and sailed our way looking for new sources of the valuable catch.
Nancy
On 2/22/09 2:57 PM, "maaisha at aol.com" <maaisha at aol.com> wrote:
Thank you very much, Dick. I can see that the British would want an outpost for servicing their vessels. That makes sense. The fish don't. Surely the British had plenty of fish, and still do. Why would codfish be sent back to England - or were they not sent back? Was it only to feed arriving sailors?
Lois
-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Hodgman <dick.hodgman at gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: [Tommies] John Thompson and David's fishing post
Lois,
David and Amyes were in the New World to support the British fishing fleet. Their providing provisions and services allowed the fleet to stay off North America for the entire season. The British came to the New World for the fish before they came for religious freedom.
--Dick
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Dick Hodgman
dick at hodgman.org
http://hodgman.org/
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 12:42 PM, <maaisha at aol.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I have two questions.
I noticed in John Thompson's will, that he mentions his son-in-law, John Aldrich. I have only two children for John Thompson and Sarah Trevore - Mehitable Thompson Hayward (Haywood) and son, John. Where does John Aldrich fit in? I must be missing a daughter. I am descended from both the son, John, and the daughter, Mehitable. Who was their sibling?
This second question must have an obvious answer than I am too dense to see. Why was David Thomson setting up a fishing station, drying cod and sending them back to England? Isn't that like sending coal to Newcastle? What am I missing here?
Thanks for any help.
Sincerely, Lois
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