[Tommies] John Thompson, son of David

Fri Feb 13 16:14:23 EST 2009

Have you tried "The Descendants of David and Amyes Thompson"  by Col. (Retired) Henry Joseph Amy (1962)..?
As I recall, that source lists David's children, and  John's wife, Sarah Trevore as well as their descendants. 
Dexter Edge , 

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Genevieve,

  Your
comments of February 3rd are very helpful in my quest to find
sources that show that our John Thompson was the son of David.  I would like to pursue the connection
of William Crowne and Samuel Maverick to Weymouth where our John Thompson
settled and would appreciate any suggestions you might have for sources that
would place them there.  What was William
Crowne’s connection with David (or John) Thompson?  I know Samuel Maverick was John’s stepfather.  If you think of any sources that would
help I will try to check them out. 
Thanks!

  Betty Lou

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Thompson, son of David

Betty,

Thanks
for taking the time to research the RIHS records.  Mrs. Haviland also
wrote on Medfield and Uxbridge History.  Uxbridge is important if you are
looking for a Quaker connection - which I suspect from one of my ancestors who
moved to Smithfield, RI - a Quaker hotbed that met in Uxbridge for
meetings.  Medfield is where our ancestors escaped to when the Indians
turned their anger on Mendon during the King Philip War.

Along
with the date of birth, the association with the Whites in Weymouth and Mendon,
and William Crowne offer additional clues.  Crowne was also associated
with Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel as was David Thomson (remember his 3-page
letter in 1625 to the Earl.)  Also, Samuel Maverick also held land in
Weymouth.  It was where the Gorges associated folks lived while the
Pilgrims and Puritans spread their wings throughout the Commonwealth.

Refer
back to the Massachusetts grant naming David as the governor under the Council for
New England.  He is referred to Mr. David Thompson, Gent.   To
use Mr. and Gent. in the same title is redundant.  It is believed by at
least one major historian, David Howarth, author of Arundel and His Circle,
that David was a ship's Master.  I have also found a Mr. Thompson, Master
of the ship Jonathan in early Virginia Records - about 1619.  Recall the
letter - he mentions his impression of folks in the South - not
flattering.

John
was referred to as Mr. John Thompson when he was a ship's master, but we all
know he lost everything.  Goodman means landowner.  A person can be
more than one thing in one's lifetime.  Frankly, I find Richardson's
analysis to be idiotic.  Because he is referred to as Goodman in Mendon he
cannot be the same person as Mr. John Thomson - a title he held when he was a
ship's master!!

Best
Wishes,

Genevieve

PS 
The Mendon Families by Havilard is also on microfilm available from Mormon
Research Centers.  

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Genevieve,

  Yes, I believe it is probably the book you describe. 
Early last month Ms. Lee Teverow, Reference Librarian at the RIHS, 
answered my inquiry about a hand-written book of records or recollections about
early Mendon.  She wrote:  

   "Thank you for your inquiry regarding the book
about Mendon, MA. There are two items listed in our catalog that might be what
you're looking for. The first is "Mendon families," by Elizabeth
Seamans Haviland (RR F 74 .M59 H28) and it comprises 5 volumes of handwritten
genealogical materials arranged alphabetically by name of family. The second is
"The proprietors records of the town of Mendon, MA, incorporated May 15,
1667," transcribed from manuscript records (RR F 74 M59 M54.)" 

  I asked Christine Lamar, a researcher on the list that Ms.
Teverow sent to me, to look at these two books with our problem of identifying
John Thompson of Mendon with John Thompson, son of David and heir to Thompson's
Island in mind.  She reported as follows:

  "The two books
  you suggested I evaluate are as described. I was not allowed to make copies
  from either:

  1. The Proprietors Records of Mendon, Massachusetts, incorporated
  May 15, 1667. Boston, Rockwell & Churchill Press, 1899. It is a printed
  transcript produced by members of committees from six Massachusetts towns. It
  is land records which do not appear to add anything definitive to your
  David/John Thompson question.

  2. Mendon Families by Mrs. Frank Haviland. n.d. (ca. 1901-1929)
  unpub., unpaged, bound mss in 5 v. The volume I looked at was V. 5 TH-Z. 

  Contained the following:

  David and Amyes (sic)

  son John Thomson 1619- 9 Nov 1685, m. Sarah

  son John b. 1642- 1715 m. Thankful Woodland

  dau Mehitable (no birth date given) m. Samuel Hayward 9 June 1670

  dau Sarah b. 2 July 1644 m. John Aldrich 1678 son of George and
  Catherine

  A list of John's- b. 1642- children was also given as follows.

  John 1667-1749 one of the early settlers of Bellingham

  Sarah 12 May 1669

  Ebenezer 1 Oct 1677

  Samuel 4 Feb 1679-1704

  Woodland 27 Jan 1681

  Benjamin 17 Sept 1681

  David 24 May 1687

  Hannah 3 Aug 1689

  There was no indication of sources or mention of Thompson's
  Island."

    Ms. Lamar
  looked at other sources at RIHS but found nothing that suggested that John
  Thompson of Thompson's Island was the same as John Thompson of Mendon. 
  Except for the fact that they were born in the same year and that John Jr. of
  Mendon named a son David, either man's timeline stands independent of the
  other's.  There is nothing that contradicts their being the same man
  (except Douglas Richardson's article) but nothing connects them,
  either.  I hate to continue claiming David as an ancestor when respected
  genealogists seem to doubt it.  Let's hope we can find the "smoking
  gun"!
    Betty Lou.

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Subject: Re: [Tommies] John Thompson, son of David

Betty,

Is the Mendon Families a cloth bound, hand-sewn document which
mentions Amias and David at the top of the Thompson section?

Genevieve

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To Gen Fraser and all Tommies:  Trying to find evidence that
John Thompson son of David and John Thompson of Weymouth and Mendon are one and
the same person, I followed your clue that there was a hand-written item at the
Rhode Island Historical Society library with this information.  I
contacted the reference librarian there and was told they had two items that
were hand-written and concerned Mendon.  I hired a researcher from the
library's list to look at these two items. 

   One was The Proprietors' Records of Mendon, mostly land
records, and does not "appear to add anything definitive to our David/John
Thompson question."

  The second is Mendon Families by Mrs. Frank Haviland,
n.d..(about 1901-1929) and repeats the lineage of David to John and through the
Mendon Thompsons -- as we have long accepted it to be --but includes no
sources.

  I continue to hope we will find proof someday that our John
Thompson, of Weymouth and Mendon was the same person as John Thompson, son of
David.  The two men were born in the same year and tradition says they
were the same man but we need more than this to convince other genealogists.

  Betty Lou 

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Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:41 PM

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Subject: Re: [Tommies] Welcome Sharon Thompson from Alberta

  Thanks, Gen, for your response about the proof that John,
son of David Thompson, was the same person as John Thompson of Mendon.  I
wonder if any of the Tommies has in his/her records the citations for the date,
place and source for (1) the birth of John, son of David and  (2) John of
Mendon?  Does anyone have a citation for the  late 18th/early 19th
century hand-written book from Mendon at the Rhode Island
Historical Society that lists David as the father of John?  I looked at
the RIHS online catalogue and did not find it there.  Does anyone on the
Tommies list have access to that library?

  Betty Lou

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Betty Lou,

I don't have the facts at my fingertips, but John of Mendon was
the same age as John, David's son.  There are other reasons too including
a late 18th century/early 19th century handwritten book in the RI historical
society from Mendon that lists David as the father of John.

Genevieve

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Hi,
Gen  sometime ago you gave remarks supporting this claim.  I have a
print out of it.  Maybe you can up date it and pass it on to Betty
Lou.   Quint 

On
Dec 16, 2008, at 4:41 PM, morrisb wrote:

  Let me add my greetings of welcome to you, Sharon.  We
Tommies are a pretty scattered and diverse group, but we all claim David
Thompson  as an ancestor.  My particular hang up is the question of
proof that John Thompson of Mendon, MA, from whom we all descend, is the same
man as John Thompson, son of David.  If you have any information to help
with this, please let us know.

  Betty Lou Morris

  Mount Clemens, MI

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Subject: Re: [Tommies] Welcome Sharon Thompson from Alberta

Hi Sharon, thanks for joining us.  I believe I know your
Uncle Frank, if it's the same Frank Thompson -- met him on this list.  You
and I (and others on the list including Frank) share an ancestor: C. B.
Thompson, my great grandfather.  I'm eleventh generation wrt David Thomson,
see my line here:

http://www.wellswooster.com/tommies/alyce.htm

Do we have the same line in common?  At least up to
Charles?  Welcome to the Tommies list and I look forward to seeing further
posts from you.

Alyce Thompson Elliott

At 10:11 AM 12/14/2008, you wrote:

Tommies,

On Monday, 11/17/08,I received the Fall 2008 newsletter from
Thompson Island Outward Bound.  On the back page (attached to this
message), I found that Sharon Thompson of Alberta, Canada had visited Thompson
Island and wanted to reach out to other descendants of David Thompson.  I
contacted her by email, gave her a synopsis of our 2001 (Re)union, and pointed
her to the Tommies website.  She has joined our email list.  

Please join me in welcoming Sharon to our group.  

--Dick

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