[Tommies] John Thompson, son of David
Quintin Thompson
quintinth at aol.com
Thu Feb 12 17:12:21 EST 2009
Seekers,
If you go on line with <Walking Tour of Mendon, MA .you will notice
in item #7 on George Street the explanation of the former site of a
Friends Meeting Place. Quint
On Feb 12, 2009, at 3:58 PM, morrisb wrote:
> Genevieve,
>
> Your comments of February 3rd are very helpful in my quest to
> find sources that show that our John Thompson was the son of
> David. I would like to pursue the connection of William Crowne and
> Samuel Maverick to Weymouth where our John Thompson settled and
> would appreciate any suggestions you might have for sources that
> would place them there. What was William Crowne’s connection with
> David (or John) Thompson? I know Samuel Maverick was John’s
> stepfather. If you think of any sources that would help I will try
> to check them out. Thanks!
>
> Betty Lou
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com [mailto:tommies-
> bounces at wellswooster.com]On Behalf Of gcfraser at peoplepc.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:45 PM
> To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE
> descendantsandresearchers.
> Subject: Re: [Tommies] John Thompson, son of David
>
>
>
> Betty,
>
> Thanks for taking the time to research the RIHS records. Mrs.
> Haviland also wrote on Medfield and Uxbridge History. Uxbridge is
> important if you are looking for a Quaker connection - which I
> suspect from one of my ancestors who moved to Smithfield, RI - a
> Quaker hotbed that met in Uxbridge for meetings. Medfield is where
> our ancestors escaped to when the Indians turned their anger on
> Mendon during the King Philip War.
>
>
>
> Along with the date of birth, the association with the Whites in
> Weymouth and Mendon, and William Crowne offer additional clues.
> Crowne was also associated with Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel
> as was David Thomson (remember his 3-page letter in 1625 to the
> Earl.) Also, Samuel Maverick also held land in Weymouth. It was
> where the Gorges associated folks lived while the Pilgrims and
> Puritans spread their wings throughout the Commonwealth.
>
>
>
> Refer back to the Massachusetts grant naming David as the governor
> under the Council for New England. He is referred to Mr. David
> Thompson, Gent. To use Mr. and Gent. in the same title is
> redundant. It is believed by at least one major historian, David
> Howarth, author of Arundel and His Circle, that David was a ship's
> Master. I have also found a Mr. Thompson, Master of the ship
> Jonathan in early Virginia Records - about 1619. Recall the letter
> - he mentions his impression of folks in the South - not flattering.
>
>
>
> John was referred to as Mr. John Thompson when he was a ship's
> master, but we all know he lost everything. Goodman means
> landowner. A person can be more than one thing in one's lifetime.
> Frankly, I find Richardson's analysis to be idiotic. Because he is
> referred to as Goodman in Mendon he cannot be the same person as
> Mr. John Thomson - a title he held when he was a ship's master!!
>
>
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> Genevieve
>
> PS The Mendon Families by Havilard is also on microfilm available
> from Mormon Research Centers.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: morrisb
>
> To: 'Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE
> descendantsandresearchers.'
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:00 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Tommies] John Thompson, son of David
>
>
>
> Genevieve,
>
> Yes, I believe it is probably the book you describe. Early last
> month Ms. Lee Teverow, Reference Librarian at the RIHS, answered
> my inquiry about a hand-written book of records or recollections
> about early Mendon. She wrote:
>
> "Thank you for your inquiry regarding the book about Mendon, MA.
> There are two items listed in our catalog that might be what you're
> looking for. The first is "Mendon families," by Elizabeth Seamans
> Haviland (RR F 74 .M59 H28) and it comprises 5 volumes of
> handwritten genealogical materials arranged alphabetically by name
> of family. The second is "The proprietors records of the town of
> Mendon, MA, incorporated May 15, 1667," transcribed from manuscript
> records (RR F 74 M59 M54.)"
>
> I asked Christine Lamar, a researcher on the list that Ms.
> Teverow sent to me, to look at these two books with our problem of
> identifying John Thompson of Mendon with John Thompson, son of
> David and heir to Thompson's Island in mind. She reported as follows:
>
> "The two books you suggested I evaluate are as described. I was not
> allowed to make copies from either:
>
> 1. The Proprietors Records of Mendon, Massachusetts, incorporated
> May 15, 1667. Boston, Rockwell & Churchill Press, 1899. It is a
> printed transcript produced by members of committees from six
> Massachusetts towns. It is land records which do not appear to add
> anything definitive to your David/John Thompson question.
>
> 2. Mendon Families by Mrs. Frank Haviland. n.d. (ca. 1901-1929)
> unpub., unpaged, bound mss in 5 v. The volume I looked at was V. 5
> TH-Z.
> Contained the following:
>
> David and Amyes (sic)
> son John Thomson 1619- 9 Nov 1685, m. Sarah
> son John b. 1642- 1715 m. Thankful Woodland
> dau Mehitable (no birth date given) m. Samuel Hayward 9 June 1670
> dau Sarah b. 2 July 1644 m. John Aldrich 1678 son of George and
> Catherine
>
> A list of John's- b. 1642- children was also given as follows.
> John 1667-1749 one of the early settlers of Bellingham
> Sarah 12 May 1669
> Ebenezer 1 Oct 1677
> Samuel 4 Feb 1679-1704
> Woodland 27 Jan 1681
> Benjamin 17 Sept 1681
> David 24 May 1687
> Hannah 3 Aug 1689
>
> There was no indication of sources or mention of Thompson's Island."
>
>
>
> Ms. Lamar looked at other sources at RIHS but found nothing that
> suggested that John Thompson of Thompson's Island was the same as
> John Thompson of Mendon. Except for the fact that they were born
> in the same year and that John Jr. of Mendon named a son David,
> either man's timeline stands independent of the other's. There is
> nothing that contradicts their being the same man (except Douglas
> Richardson's article) but nothing connects them, either. I hate to
> continue claiming David as an ancestor when respected genealogists
> seem to doubt it. Let's hope we can find the "smoking gun"!
>
> Betty Lou.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com [mailto:tommies-
> bounces at wellswooster.com]On Behalf Of gcfraser at peoplepc.com
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:16 PM
> To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE
> descendantsandresearchers.
> Subject: Re: [Tommies] John Thompson, son of David
>
> Betty,
>
> Is the Mendon Families a cloth bound, hand-sewn document which
> mentions Amias and David at the top of the Thompson section?
>
> Genevieve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: morrisb
>
> To: 'Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE
> descendantsandresearchers.'
>
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:28 PM
>
> Subject: [Tommies] John Thompson, son of David
>
>
>
> To Gen Fraser and all Tommies: Trying to find evidence that John
> Thompson son of David and John Thompson of Weymouth and Mendon are
> one and the same person, I followed your clue that there was a hand-
> written item at the Rhode Island Historical Society library with
> this information. I contacted the reference librarian there and
> was told they had two items that were hand-written and concerned
> Mendon. I hired a researcher from the library's list to look at
> these two items.
>
> One was The Proprietors' Records of Mendon, mostly land records,
> and does not "appear to add anything definitive to our David/John
> Thompson question."
>
> The second is Mendon Families by Mrs. Frank Haviland, n.d..(about
> 1901-1929) and repeats the lineage of David to John and through the
> Mendon Thompsons -- as we have long accepted it to be --but
> includes no sources.
>
> I continue to hope we will find proof someday that our John
> Thompson, of Weymouth and Mendon was the same person as John
> Thompson, son of David. The two men were born in the same year and
> tradition says they were the same man but we need more than this to
> convince other genealogists.
>
> Betty Lou
>
> -----Original Message-----[Betty Lou Morris] ,
> From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com [mailto:tommies-
> bounces at wellswooster.com]On Behalf Of morrisb
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:41 PM
> To: 'Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE
> descendantsandresearchers.'
> Subject: Re: [Tommies] Welcome Sharon Thompson from Alberta
>
> Thanks, Gen, for your response about the proof that John, son of
> David Thompson, was the same person as John Thompson of Mendon. I
> wonder if any of the Tommies has in his/her records the citations
> for the date, place and source for (1) the birth of John, son of
> David and (2) John of Mendon? Does anyone have a citation for
> the late 18th/early 19th century hand-written book from Mendon at
> the Rhode Island Historical Society that lists David as the father
> of John? I looked at the RIHS online catalogue and did not find it
> there. Does anyone on the Tommies list have access to that library?
>
> Betty Lou
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com [mailto:tommies-
> bounces at wellswooster.com]On Behalf Of gcfraser at peoplepc.com
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:24 PM
> To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE
> descendantsandresearchers.
> Subject: Re: [Tommies] Welcome Sharon Thompson from Alberta
>
> Betty Lou,
>
> I don't have the facts at my fingertips, but John of Mendon was the
> same age as John, David's son. There are other reasons too
> including a late 18th century/early 19th century handwritten book
> in the RI historical society from Mendon that lists David as the
> father of John.
>
> Genevieve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Quintin Thompson
>
> To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
> andresearchers.
>
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:11 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [Tommies] Welcome Sharon Thompson from Alberta
>
>
>
> Hi, Gen sometime ago you gave remarks supporting this claim. I
> have a print out of it. Maybe you can up date it and pass it on to
> Betty Lou. Quint
>
>
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> On Dec 16, 2008, at 4:41 PM, morrisb wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Let me add my greetings of welcome to you, Sharon. We Tommies
> are a pretty scattered and diverse group, but we all claim David
> Thompson as an ancestor. My particular hang up is the question of
> proof that John Thompson of Mendon, MA, from whom we all descend,
> is the same man as John Thompson, son of David. If you have any
> information to help with this, please let us know.
>
> Betty Lou Morris
>
> Mount Clemens, MI
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com [mailto:tommies-
> bounces at wellswooster.com]On Behalf Of Alyce Elliott
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:36 PM
> To: dick at hodgman.org; Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias
> COLE descendants andresearchers.
> Subject: Re: [Tommies] Welcome Sharon Thompson from Alberta
>
> Hi Sharon, thanks for joining us. I believe I know your Uncle
> Frank, if it's the same Frank Thompson -- met him on this list.
> You and I (and others on the list including Frank) share an
> ancestor: C. B. Thompson, my great grandfather. I'm eleventh
> generation wrt David Thomson, see my line here:
> http://www.wellswooster.com/tommies/alyce.htm
>
> Do we have the same line in common? At least up to Charles?
> Welcome to the Tommies list and I look forward to seeing further
> posts from you.
>
> Alyce Thompson Elliott
>
>
>
>
> At 10:11 AM 12/14/2008, you wrote:
>
>
> Tommies,
>
> On Monday, 11/17/08,I received the Fall 2008 newsletter from
> Thompson Island Outward Bound. On the back page (attached to this
> message), I found that Sharon Thompson of Alberta, Canada had
> visited Thompson Island and wanted to reach out to other
> descendants of David Thompson. I contacted her by email, gave her
> a synopsis of our 2001 (Re)union, and pointed her to the Tommies
> website. She has joined our email list.
>
> Please join me in welcoming Sharon to our group.
>
> --Dick
> ============================
> Dick Hodgman
> dick at hodgman.org
> http://hodgman.org/
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