[Tommies] John Thompson, son of David
morrisb
morrisb at libcoop.net
Tue Feb 3 15:00:30 EST 2009
Genevieve,
Yes, I believe it is probably the book you describe. Early last month Ms.
Lee Teverow, Reference Librarian at the RIHS, answered my inquiry about a
hand-written book of records or recollections about early Mendon. She
wrote:
"Thank you for your inquiry regarding the book about Mendon, MA. There
are two items listed in our catalog that might be what you're looking for.
The first is "Mendon families," by Elizabeth Seamans Haviland (RR F 74 .M59
H28) and it comprises 5 volumes of handwritten genealogical materials
arranged alphabetically by name of family. The second is "The proprietors
records of the town of Mendon, MA, incorporated May 15, 1667," transcribed
from manuscript records (RR F 74 M59 M54.)"
I asked Christine Lamar, a researcher on the list that Ms. Teverow sent to
me, to look at these two books with our problem of identifying John Thompson
of Mendon with John Thompson, son of David and heir to Thompson's Island in
mind. She reported as follows:
"The two books you suggested I evaluate are as described. I was not
allowed to make copies from either:
1. The Proprietors Records of Mendon, Massachusetts, incorporated May
15, 1667. Boston, Rockwell & Churchill Press, 1899. It is a printed
transcript produced by members of committees from six Massachusetts towns.
It is land records which do not appear to add anything definitive to your
David/John Thompson question.
2. Mendon Families by Mrs. Frank Haviland. n.d. (ca. 1901-1929)
unpub., unpaged, bound mss in 5 v. The volume I looked at was V. 5 TH-Z.
Contained the following:
David and Amyes (sic)
son John Thomson 1619- 9 Nov 1685, m. Sarah
son John b. 1642- 1715 m. Thankful Woodland
dau Mehitable (no birth date given) m. Samuel Hayward 9 June 1670
dau Sarah b. 2 July 1644 m. John Aldrich 1678 son of George and
Catherine
A list of John’s- b. 1642- children was also given as follows.
John 1667-1749 one of the early settlers of Bellingham
Sarah 12 May 1669
Ebenezer 1 Oct 1677
Samuel 4 Feb 1679-1704
Woodland 27 Jan 1681
Benjamin 17 Sept 1681
David 24 May 1687
Hannah 3 Aug 1689
There was no indication of sources or mention of Thompson’s Island."
Ms. Lamar looked at other sources at RIHS but found nothing that
suggested that John Thompson of Thompson's Island was the same as John
Thompson of Mendon. Except for the fact that they were born in the same
year and that John Jr. of Mendon named a son David, either man's timeline
stands independent of the other's. There is nothing that contradicts their
being the same man (except Douglas Richardson's article) but nothing
connects them, either. I hate to continue claiming David as an ancestor
when respected genealogists seem to doubt it. Let's hope we can find the
"smoking gun"!
Betty Lou.
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[mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com]On Behalf Of gcfraser at peoplepc.com
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:16 PM
To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE
descendantsandresearchers.
Subject: Re: [Tommies] John Thompson, son of David
Betty,
Is the Mendon Families a cloth bound, hand-sewn document which mentions
Amias and David at the top of the Thompson section?
Genevieve
From: morrisb
To: 'Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE
descendantsandresearchers.'
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:28 PM
Subject: [Tommies] John Thompson, son of David
To Gen Fraser and all Tommies: Trying to find evidence that John
Thompson son of David and John Thompson of Weymouth and Mendon are one and
the same person, I followed your clue that there was a hand-written item at
the Rhode Island Historical Society library with this information. I
contacted the reference librarian there and was told they had two items that
were hand-written and concerned Mendon. I hired a researcher from the
library's list to look at these two items.
One was The Proprietors' Records of Mendon, mostly land records, and
does not "appear to add anything definitive to our David/John Thompson
question."
The second is Mendon Families by Mrs. Frank Haviland, n.d..(about
1901-1929) and repeats the lineage of David to John and through the Mendon
Thompsons -- as we have long accepted it to be --but includes no sources.
I continue to hope we will find proof someday that our John Thompson,
of Weymouth and Mendon was the same person as John Thompson, son of David.
The two men were born in the same year and tradition says they were the same
man but we need more than this to convince other genealogists.
Betty Lou
-----Original Message-----[Betty Lou Morris] ,
From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com
[mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com]On Behalf Of morrisb
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:41 PM
To: 'Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE
descendantsandresearchers.'
Subject: Re: [Tommies] Welcome Sharon Thompson from Alberta
Thanks, Gen, for your response about the proof that John, son of
David Thompson, was the same person as John Thompson of Mendon. I wonder if
any of the Tommies has in his/her records the citations for the date, place
and source for (1) the birth of John, son of David and (2) John of Mendon?
Does anyone have a citation for the late 18th/early 19th century
hand-written book from Mendon at the Rhode Island Historical Society that
lists David as the father of John? I looked at the RIHS online catalogue
and did not find it there. Does anyone on the Tommies list have access to
that library?
Betty Lou
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Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:24 PM
To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE
descendantsandresearchers.
Subject: Re: [Tommies] Welcome Sharon Thompson from Alberta
Betty Lou,
I don't have the facts at my fingertips, but John of Mendon was the
same age as John, David's son. There are other reasons too including a late
18th century/early 19th century handwritten book in the RI historical
society from Mendon that lists David as the father of John.
Genevieve
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From: Quintin Thompson
To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
andresearchers.
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Tommies] Welcome Sharon Thompson from Alberta
Hi, Gen sometime ago you gave remarks supporting this claim. I
have a print out of it. Maybe you can up date it and pass it on to Betty
Lou. Quint
On Dec 16, 2008, at 4:41 PM, morrisb wrote:
Let me add my greetings of welcome to you, Sharon. We Tommies
are a pretty scattered and diverse group, but we all claim David Thompson
as an ancestor. My particular hang up is the question of proof that John
Thompson of Mendon, MA, from whom we all descend, is the same man as John
Thompson, son of David. If you have any information to help with this,
please let us know.
Betty Lou Morris
Mount Clemens, MI
-----Original Message-----
From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com
[mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com]On Behalf Of Alyce Elliott
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:36 PM
To: dick at hodgman.org; Discussion list for David THOMSON &
Amias COLE descendants andresearchers.
Subject: Re: [Tommies] Welcome Sharon Thompson from Alberta
Hi Sharon, thanks for joining us. I believe I know your Uncle
Frank, if it's the same Frank Thompson -- met him on this list. You and I
(and others on the list including Frank) share an ancestor: C. B. Thompson,
my great grandfather. I'm eleventh generation wrt David Thomson, see my lin
e here:
http://www.wellswooster.com/tommies/alyce.htm
Do we have the same line in common? At least up to Charles?
Welcome to the Tommies list and I look forward to seeing further posts from
you.
Alyce Thompson Elliott
At 10:11 AM 12/14/2008, you wrote:
Tommies,
On Monday, 11/17/08,I received the Fall 2008 newsletter from
Thompson Island Outward Bound. On the back page (attached to this message),
I found that Sharon Thompson of Alberta, Canada had visited Thompson Island
and wanted to reach out to other descendants of David Thompson. I contacted
her by email, gave her a synopsis of our 2001 (Re)union, and pointed her to
the Tommies website. She has joined our email list.
Please join me in welcoming Sharon to our group.
--Dick
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