[Tommies] more about David Thomson
Wilma Fleming Haynes
wilmahaynes at hughes.net
Sat May 3 11:10:03 EDT 2008
Below is a wee bit of data I have gathered over the years -
David and Amias Cole Thomson were my 10th gr grandparents - I come thru
their son John.
B. Sir Richard -2) THOMPSON / THOMSON
born abt 1528 in Scotland -
died Nov 1582 Clerkenwell, London, England in the epidemic that
took 11% of the population of the area they lived in
md in Scotland no date
TO
unknown
Children:
i Richard -1) THOMPSON/ THOMSON
A. Richard -1) THOMPSON /THOMSON
born abt 1555 Scotland
died Aug 1602 Clerkenwell, London, England in epidemic that took 25%
of the population
md 26 June 1679 St James Church, Clerkenwell, London, London, Eng.
TO
Florence CROMLAN
born abt 1557 of Clerkenwell, London, London, England
died no date Plymouth, Devonshire, England
Children:
i. Ann born 1680
ii. Richard III died 1582 Clerkenwell, London, London, England
iii. infant died abt 1685 "
iv. Golde
v. Moses
vi. David 1) bp 17 Dec 1592 St James Clerkenwell, London, England
David's parents were servants to Sir Ferdinando Gorges - Sir Ferdinando had
a lot of problems - and after Queen Elizabeth died, and James 1 ascended to
the throne in the late March 1603, in essence Gorges was re-instated with
the King. He decided at this time to take his family to Plymouth, Devon,
England - the death of his servant Richard Thomson, coming just before Sir
Ferdinando was ordered back to Plymouth Fort, seemed to be only right to
take David and his mother with them - the other THOMSON boys Golde and Moses
were already apprenticed and would remain in London with their masters. The
23 year old daughter Ann was on her own and stayed in London. Florence and
her son David went with the Gorges, Florence continued probably serving Lady
Ann , the wife of Sir Ferdinando -
Autumn of 1603 found the Georges's and their servants, among them Florence
Thomson and her son David residing in rural Kinterbury where Sir Ferdinando
had purchased a house during he earlier tour of duty as Captain of the
Plymouth Fort.
David was to live in the Plymouth, Devon, England area for two decades, he
took his apprenticeship with Dr Vines as a apothecary and later as a seaman-
that is when he came to New England- David was to marry a Plymouth girl
[Amias Cole] who would bare him 4 children,
Thomson's Island in the Boston Harbor is named for him..he and his family
(wife Amias, son John) lived there..David died 1628..when or how or where is
not known...his widow Amias md2) Samuel Maverick of Noodles Island, (now
Boston Airport)..David came to New England as early as 1607...he was an
apprentice under Dr Richard Vines...His father Richard died in the epidemic
of London, England in Aug 1603 - they lived at Clerkenwell, London. His
mother was Florence CROMLAN, she was a servant to Sir Georges in London,
England, when he was sent to Devon, England she and David went with him and
his family.
The Great Migration Begins by Robert Charles Anderson v2 p1242 #i Samuel
Maverick; Samuel Maverick was my 10th gr grand uncle, his parents Rev John
Maverick 27 Oct 1578-Awliscombe, Devon, England - 3 Feb 1635/6 Dorchester,
Norfolk, Massachusetts and May GYE 1580 , Devonshire, England d aft 1666 at
Dorchester, Norfolk, Massachusetts - they being my 11th gr grand parents -
Amias 1) Cole bp 3 Oct 1597 at St Andrews Church, Plymouth, Devonshire,
England died aft 1670 New York, New York, New York- she was the 2nd child
[the first was Elizabeth born 1595 also dying that same year] of William -1)
Cole born 1672 of Plymouth, Devonshire, England d there no date and Agnes
Bryant born unknown d 6 Aug 1598 Plymouth, Devonshire, England. Amias'
mother died soon after she was born, father William Cole md2) 27 Dec 1599
at St Andrews Church, Plymouth, Devonshire, England TO- Johane Leach born
1571 and died probably at Plymouth, Devonshire, England.
There is a lot that can be written about Amias Cole Thomson-Maverick. She
arrived in New Eng in 1623...her husband David Thomson had been in New
England several times, first coming as a young lad as an apprentice of Dr
Richard Vine in 1607. David and Amias lived in Plymouth, Devonshire, Eng,
where her father William Cole and step mother Johane lived..
Her step mother Johane raised her. Amias md 13 July 1613 @ St Andrews
Church Devonshire, England when she was only 15 years old to David Thomson.
Amias and David had 4 children, all bp at St Andrews Church
1. Ann bp 1 Oct 1615 buried 14 Oct 1615 at St Andrews Devonshire-
2. Priscilla bp Oct 1616
3. John bp 5 Jan 1618/19
4. Ann bp 22 Nov 1620 buried 26 Nov 1620 at St Andrews church,
Priscilla and David were the two that lived to adulthood. When Amias came
to New Eng she left her daughter Priscilla in Eng with her parents..I am
sure they did not want their granddaughter coming to the wilds of a new
land. Amias brought John who at the time was abt 4 years old. Her husband
David was already established in New Eng with a (fort) house...he would
spend his time between the new world and that of county Devonshire, Eng.
Amias was a bystander or participant in more facets of early New Eng history
than any other woman.
Records suggest she was the 25th English woman to migrate to New Eng.
Preceding her were the 20 women on the Mayflower in 1620. Thirteen of the 20
died that first year. There were 4 more women who came to New England on the
"Fortune" in 1621. Amias arrived with her son John on the "Jonathan" in the
late winter of 1623 at Piscataway, New Hampshire where her husband had their
fort.
Amias and David had a active social life entertaining almost everyone of
consequence in New England at Piscataway during her first yr there. Amongst
them was Thomas Weston, Capt Miles Standish, Phinehas Pratt, Gov Robert
Gorges and most of his would-be settlers including Samuel Maverick, and Capt
Christopher Levett. Indians were also visitors at Piscataway. William Hilton
and his family were visitors at their home. The Hiltons were pushed out of
New Plymouth in 1624..Amias and her husband were not "lovers" of the
puritans...David and Amias moved their home to Boston in the harbor on an
Island, now called "Thompsons Island" Their home was the center of the
social life of the old planters. David Thomson died in 1628...there has been
no record found of how he died.
Amias soon md Samuel Maverick of the neighboring island called "Noodles
Island" (Noodles Island is now Logan Airport in Boston..there is a area near
by called "Maverick Square") There was a long history of life-long tension
between church of England Loyalist Samuel Maverick and the separatist
puritanical puritans.
When there was a smallpox epidemic which killed so many Indians in 1633,
Winthrop in his journal wrote, " Among others, Mr.. Maverick of Winnissime
is worthy of perpetual remembrance. Himself and his wife Amias, and savants
went daily to them (the Indians) ministered to their necessities, and buried
their dead, and took home many of their children." It is said they buried
some thirty Indians in one day.
Amias had 3 more children, Nathaniel born abt 1634, Samuel b 1632 and Mary b
1635. Amias's son John Thomson started his apprentice seaman training in
1633 and was seldom home, & dau Priscilla was still in Plymouth, England.
They lived at Noodles Island from 1634 to 1650. Amias kept house for her
husband Samuel Maverick and his mother Mary Gye-Maverick . During this
period Samuel was often at odds with the puritan authorities who were
working to establish a puritan church centered government. Samuel held out
for reasonable rights for non-puritans. He was imprisoned and fined several
times for his views and actions. Abt 1651 Samuel moved his family to Saco,
Maine, here again he was at odds with the Massachusetts puritans who claimed
that their charter gave them New Hampshire and Maine as well as parts of
Rhode Island and Connecticut (which it did not).
About 1660 Samuel was sent to London as a delegate of other non-puritans to
try to induce the crown to curb the oppressive New Eng Puritan
government..he was there 4 years and did win considerable support for his
views. It was while in London that he wrote his invaluable description of
New England. He presented it to sir Edward Hyde, Earl of Clarendon, Charles
II's Lord High Chancellor. Copy of the letters can be found in "David
Thomson, First Yankee" p140. In 1664 he was appointed along with three other
men to go back to New England and carry out the ideas mentioned in his
letters.
He was not successful with the Massachusetts government, however they did
bring New Amsterdam (New York) under the English Crown with no bloodshed and
with a minimum of disruption. For his part in the latter project, Maverick
was given a house on lower Broadway, New York City.
Presumably this is where Samuel Maverick and his wife Amias Cole Thomson
Maverick died in the 1670's. Amias (1597-1670+) was in the thick of things
regarding New England during her entire life; first in Plymouth, County
Devonshire, England where her father was active in civic matters and a ship
builder and who repaired the Speedwell and where the Mayflower lay wait for
nearly two weeks...she knew Pocahontas when she was in Eng searching for
John Smith...she and her husband David got to know the passengers of the
Mayflower when they were there. She was active in life in New Hampshire,
Massachusetts and Maine and finally in New York.
-----Original Message-----
From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com
[mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com]On Behalf Of gcfraser at peoplepc.com
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:19 AM
To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE
descendantsandresearchers.
Subject: Re: [Tommies] Thomson/Earl of Arundel/East India Company
Virginia,
It is my belief that David Thomson was of Corstorphine - outside of
Edinburg, Scotland. His father's 2nd marriage to Agnes Foullis linked him
the Sec'y of State of Scotland, Thomas Hamilton. In addition, David's
step-brother, Adam Hepburn was the legal clerk to Sec'y at the time of
Thomson's grant to Piscataqua and being designated as the acting governor of
Massachusetts, according to the 1622/23 grant. King James ruled Scotland
"by the pen" as he lived in England. He did that through Hamilton. There
are many other tie-ins to King James. But clearly, in 1625, David Thomson
had a special relationship with the Earl of Arundel and acted as his agent
in America.
David was a Scotsman according to those who knew him. Robert Thomson was
an Englishman. There may be a relationship, but I spent years looking, but
never found one.
William Crowne, the Earl of Arundel's right hand man eventually betrayed
Arundel and settled in Mendon Mass, where John Thomson who also settled in
Mendon - David's son - considered him an enemy.
Genevieve
----- Original Message -----
From: Virginia Thomson-Baldwin
To: tommies at wellswooster.com
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:03 PM
Subject: [Tommies] Thomson/Earl of Arundel/East India Company
In response to this comment:
David Thomson's letter
to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship to
him.
William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas
Howard,
the Earl and got his start through him
http://www.danbyrnes.com.au/business/business13.html
By 1639, the East India Company at Surat owned a few country ships
(regional traders only, not necessarily beholden to Company authority), and
they in various ways saved the Company money. In early 1639 the East India
Company was appalled as the Earl of Arundel with the king's backing wanted
to get to the east; his plan resembled the Earl of Southampton's venture to
settle Mauritius. And that idea simply revived an abandoned project of
Prince Rupert.
Earl Arundel: This was Thomas Howard (1585-1646), fourteenth Earl
Arundel, Earl Norfolk. See Mary F. S. Hervey, The Life, Correspondence and
Collections of Thomas Howard, Earl of Arundel. Cambridge University Press,
1921. Kraus Reprint, New York, 1969; genealogical tables. Lorimer, (Ed.),
Amazon, p. 194, Note 3. GEC, Peerage, Arundel, p. 255; Norfolk, pp. 624ff.
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There may be a Thomson connection, however, Maurice Thomson's brother,
Robert, was born in 1622 and he, as far as anyone knows, was the last son
born into that family.
Virginia
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