From vbaldwin1 at mac.com Thu May 1 23:03:54 2008 From: vbaldwin1 at mac.com (Virginia Thomson-Baldwin) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:03:54 -0700 Subject: [Tommies] Thomson/Earl of Arundel/East India Company Message-ID: <87790DB0-814F-4EEC-8FBD-5C91DCC0F6DF@mac.com> In response to this comment: David Thomson's letter to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship to him. William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas Howard, the Earl and got his start through him http://www.danbyrnes.com.au/business/business13.html By 1639, the East India Company at Surat owned a few country ships (regional traders only, not necessarily beholden to Company authority), and they in various ways saved the Company money. In early 1639 the East India Company was appalled as the Earl of Arundel with the king's backing wanted to get to the east; his plan resembled the Earl of Southampton's venture to settle Mauritius. And that idea simply revived an abandoned project of Prince Rupert. Earl Arundel: This was Thomas Howard (1585-1646), fourteenth Earl Arundel, Earl Norfolk. See Mary F. S. Hervey, The Life, Correspondence and Collections of Thomas Howard, Earl of Arundel. Cambridge University Press, 1921. Kraus Reprint, New York, 1969; genealogical tables. Lorimer, (Ed.), Amazon, p. 194, Note 3. GEC, Peerage, Arundel, p. 255; Norfolk, pp. 624ff. =========== There may be a Thomson connection, however, Maurice Thomson's brother, Robert, was born in 1622 and he, as far as anyone knows, was the last son born into that family. Virginia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/pipermail/tommies/attachments/20080501/47fddf67/attachment.html From gcfraser at peoplepc.com Fri May 2 08:19:18 2008 From: gcfraser at peoplepc.com (gcfraser at peoplepc.com) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 08:19:18 -0400 Subject: [Tommies] Thomson/Earl of Arundel/East India Company References: <87790DB0-814F-4EEC-8FBD-5C91DCC0F6DF@mac.com> Message-ID: <001901c8ac4e$bf3383b0$0c00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1> Virginia, It is my belief that David Thomson was of Corstorphine - outside of Edinburg, Scotland. His father's 2nd marriage to Agnes Foullis linked him the Sec'y of State of Scotland, Thomas Hamilton. In addition, David's step-brother, Adam Hepburn was the legal clerk to Sec'y at the time of Thomson's grant to Piscataqua and being designated as the acting governor of Massachusetts, according to the 1622/23 grant. King James ruled Scotland "by the pen" as he lived in England. He did that through Hamilton. There are many other tie-ins to King James. But clearly, in 1625, David Thomson had a special relationship with the Earl of Arundel and acted as his agent in America. David was a Scotsman according to those who knew him. Robert Thomson was an Englishman. There may be a relationship, but I spent years looking, but never found one. William Crowne, the Earl of Arundel's right hand man eventually betrayed Arundel and settled in Mendon Mass, where John Thomson who also settled in Mendon - David's son - considered him an enemy. Genevieve ----- Original Message ----- From: Virginia Thomson-Baldwin To: tommies at wellswooster.com Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:03 PM Subject: [Tommies] Thomson/Earl of Arundel/East India Company In response to this comment: David Thomson's letter to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship to him. William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas Howard, the Earl and got his start through him http://www.danbyrnes.com.au/business/business13.html By 1639, the East India Company at Surat owned a few country ships (regional traders only, not necessarily beholden to Company authority), and they in various ways saved the Company money. In early 1639 the East India Company was appalled as the Earl of Arundel with the king's backing wanted to get to the east; his plan resembled the Earl of Southampton's venture to settle Mauritius. And that idea simply revived an abandoned project of Prince Rupert. Earl Arundel: This was Thomas Howard (1585-1646), fourteenth Earl Arundel, Earl Norfolk. See Mary F. S. Hervey, The Life, Correspondence and Collections of Thomas Howard, Earl of Arundel. Cambridge University Press, 1921. Kraus Reprint, New York, 1969; genealogical tables. Lorimer, (Ed.), Amazon, p. 194, Note 3. GEC, Peerage, Arundel, p. 255; Norfolk, pp. 624ff. =========== There may be a Thomson connection, however, Maurice Thomson's brother, Robert, was born in 1622 and he, as far as anyone knows, was the last son born into that family. Virginia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tommies mailing list Tommies at wellswooster.com http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/pipermail/tommies/attachments/20080502/66effc74/attachment-0001.html From wilmahaynes at hughes.net Sat May 3 11:10:03 2008 From: wilmahaynes at hughes.net (Wilma Fleming Haynes) Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 08:10:03 -0700 Subject: [Tommies] more about David Thomson In-Reply-To: <001901c8ac4e$bf3383b0$0c00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1> Message-ID: Below is a wee bit of data I have gathered over the years - David and Amias Cole Thomson were my 10th gr grandparents - I come thru their son John. B. Sir Richard -2) THOMPSON / THOMSON born abt 1528 in Scotland - died Nov 1582 Clerkenwell, London, England in the epidemic that took 11% of the population of the area they lived in md in Scotland no date TO unknown Children: i Richard -1) THOMPSON/ THOMSON A. Richard -1) THOMPSON /THOMSON born abt 1555 Scotland died Aug 1602 Clerkenwell, London, England in epidemic that took 25% of the population md 26 June 1679 St James Church, Clerkenwell, London, London, Eng. TO Florence CROMLAN born abt 1557 of Clerkenwell, London, London, England died no date Plymouth, Devonshire, England Children: i. Ann born 1680 ii. Richard III died 1582 Clerkenwell, London, London, England iii. infant died abt 1685 " iv. Golde v. Moses vi. David 1) bp 17 Dec 1592 St James Clerkenwell, London, England David's parents were servants to Sir Ferdinando Gorges - Sir Ferdinando had a lot of problems - and after Queen Elizabeth died, and James 1 ascended to the throne in the late March 1603, in essence Gorges was re-instated with the King. He decided at this time to take his family to Plymouth, Devon, England - the death of his servant Richard Thomson, coming just before Sir Ferdinando was ordered back to Plymouth Fort, seemed to be only right to take David and his mother with them - the other THOMSON boys Golde and Moses were already apprenticed and would remain in London with their masters. The 23 year old daughter Ann was on her own and stayed in London. Florence and her son David went with the Gorges, Florence continued probably serving Lady Ann , the wife of Sir Ferdinando - Autumn of 1603 found the Georges's and their servants, among them Florence Thomson and her son David residing in rural Kinterbury where Sir Ferdinando had purchased a house during he earlier tour of duty as Captain of the Plymouth Fort. David was to live in the Plymouth, Devon, England area for two decades, he took his apprenticeship with Dr Vines as a apothecary and later as a seaman- that is when he came to New England- David was to marry a Plymouth girl [Amias Cole] who would bare him 4 children, Thomson's Island in the Boston Harbor is named for him..he and his family (wife Amias, son John) lived there..David died 1628..when or how or where is not known...his widow Amias md2) Samuel Maverick of Noodles Island, (now Boston Airport)..David came to New England as early as 1607...he was an apprentice under Dr Richard Vines...His father Richard died in the epidemic of London, England in Aug 1603 - they lived at Clerkenwell, London. His mother was Florence CROMLAN, she was a servant to Sir Georges in London, England, when he was sent to Devon, England she and David went with him and his family. The Great Migration Begins by Robert Charles Anderson v2 p1242 #i Samuel Maverick; Samuel Maverick was my 10th gr grand uncle, his parents Rev John Maverick 27 Oct 1578-Awliscombe, Devon, England - 3 Feb 1635/6 Dorchester, Norfolk, Massachusetts and May GYE 1580 , Devonshire, England d aft 1666 at Dorchester, Norfolk, Massachusetts - they being my 11th gr grand parents - Amias 1) Cole bp 3 Oct 1597 at St Andrews Church, Plymouth, Devonshire, England died aft 1670 New York, New York, New York- she was the 2nd child [the first was Elizabeth born 1595 also dying that same year] of William -1) Cole born 1672 of Plymouth, Devonshire, England d there no date and Agnes Bryant born unknown d 6 Aug 1598 Plymouth, Devonshire, England. Amias' mother died soon after she was born, father William Cole md2) 27 Dec 1599 at St Andrews Church, Plymouth, Devonshire, England TO- Johane Leach born 1571 and died probably at Plymouth, Devonshire, England. There is a lot that can be written about Amias Cole Thomson-Maverick. She arrived in New Eng in 1623...her husband David Thomson had been in New England several times, first coming as a young lad as an apprentice of Dr Richard Vine in 1607. David and Amias lived in Plymouth, Devonshire, Eng, where her father William Cole and step mother Johane lived.. Her step mother Johane raised her. Amias md 13 July 1613 @ St Andrews Church Devonshire, England when she was only 15 years old to David Thomson. Amias and David had 4 children, all bp at St Andrews Church 1. Ann bp 1 Oct 1615 buried 14 Oct 1615 at St Andrews Devonshire- 2. Priscilla bp Oct 1616 3. John bp 5 Jan 1618/19 4. Ann bp 22 Nov 1620 buried 26 Nov 1620 at St Andrews church, Priscilla and David were the two that lived to adulthood. When Amias came to New Eng she left her daughter Priscilla in Eng with her parents..I am sure they did not want their granddaughter coming to the wilds of a new land. Amias brought John who at the time was abt 4 years old. Her husband David was already established in New Eng with a (fort) house...he would spend his time between the new world and that of county Devonshire, Eng. Amias was a bystander or participant in more facets of early New Eng history than any other woman. Records suggest she was the 25th English woman to migrate to New Eng. Preceding her were the 20 women on the Mayflower in 1620. Thirteen of the 20 died that first year. There were 4 more women who came to New England on the "Fortune" in 1621. Amias arrived with her son John on the "Jonathan" in the late winter of 1623 at Piscataway, New Hampshire where her husband had their fort. Amias and David had a active social life entertaining almost everyone of consequence in New England at Piscataway during her first yr there. Amongst them was Thomas Weston, Capt Miles Standish, Phinehas Pratt, Gov Robert Gorges and most of his would-be settlers including Samuel Maverick, and Capt Christopher Levett. Indians were also visitors at Piscataway. William Hilton and his family were visitors at their home. The Hiltons were pushed out of New Plymouth in 1624..Amias and her husband were not "lovers" of the puritans...David and Amias moved their home to Boston in the harbor on an Island, now called "Thompsons Island" Their home was the center of the social life of the old planters. David Thomson died in 1628...there has been no record found of how he died. Amias soon md Samuel Maverick of the neighboring island called "Noodles Island" (Noodles Island is now Logan Airport in Boston..there is a area near by called "Maverick Square") There was a long history of life-long tension between church of England Loyalist Samuel Maverick and the separatist puritanical puritans. When there was a smallpox epidemic which killed so many Indians in 1633, Winthrop in his journal wrote, " Among others, Mr.. Maverick of Winnissime is worthy of perpetual remembrance. Himself and his wife Amias, and savants went daily to them (the Indians) ministered to their necessities, and buried their dead, and took home many of their children." It is said they buried some thirty Indians in one day. Amias had 3 more children, Nathaniel born abt 1634, Samuel b 1632 and Mary b 1635. Amias's son John Thomson started his apprentice seaman training in 1633 and was seldom home, & dau Priscilla was still in Plymouth, England. They lived at Noodles Island from 1634 to 1650. Amias kept house for her husband Samuel Maverick and his mother Mary Gye-Maverick . During this period Samuel was often at odds with the puritan authorities who were working to establish a puritan church centered government. Samuel held out for reasonable rights for non-puritans. He was imprisoned and fined several times for his views and actions. Abt 1651 Samuel moved his family to Saco, Maine, here again he was at odds with the Massachusetts puritans who claimed that their charter gave them New Hampshire and Maine as well as parts of Rhode Island and Connecticut (which it did not). About 1660 Samuel was sent to London as a delegate of other non-puritans to try to induce the crown to curb the oppressive New Eng Puritan government..he was there 4 years and did win considerable support for his views. It was while in London that he wrote his invaluable description of New England. He presented it to sir Edward Hyde, Earl of Clarendon, Charles II's Lord High Chancellor. Copy of the letters can be found in "David Thomson, First Yankee" p140. In 1664 he was appointed along with three other men to go back to New England and carry out the ideas mentioned in his letters. He was not successful with the Massachusetts government, however they did bring New Amsterdam (New York) under the English Crown with no bloodshed and with a minimum of disruption. For his part in the latter project, Maverick was given a house on lower Broadway, New York City. Presumably this is where Samuel Maverick and his wife Amias Cole Thomson Maverick died in the 1670's. Amias (1597-1670+) was in the thick of things regarding New England during her entire life; first in Plymouth, County Devonshire, England where her father was active in civic matters and a ship builder and who repaired the Speedwell and where the Mayflower lay wait for nearly two weeks...she knew Pocahontas when she was in Eng searching for John Smith...she and her husband David got to know the passengers of the Mayflower when they were there. She was active in life in New Hampshire, Massachusetts and Maine and finally in New York. -----Original Message----- From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com [mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com]On Behalf Of gcfraser at peoplepc.com Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:19 AM To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendantsandresearchers. Subject: Re: [Tommies] Thomson/Earl of Arundel/East India Company Virginia, It is my belief that David Thomson was of Corstorphine - outside of Edinburg, Scotland. His father's 2nd marriage to Agnes Foullis linked him the Sec'y of State of Scotland, Thomas Hamilton. In addition, David's step-brother, Adam Hepburn was the legal clerk to Sec'y at the time of Thomson's grant to Piscataqua and being designated as the acting governor of Massachusetts, according to the 1622/23 grant. King James ruled Scotland "by the pen" as he lived in England. He did that through Hamilton. There are many other tie-ins to King James. But clearly, in 1625, David Thomson had a special relationship with the Earl of Arundel and acted as his agent in America. David was a Scotsman according to those who knew him. Robert Thomson was an Englishman. There may be a relationship, but I spent years looking, but never found one. William Crowne, the Earl of Arundel's right hand man eventually betrayed Arundel and settled in Mendon Mass, where John Thomson who also settled in Mendon - David's son - considered him an enemy. Genevieve ----- Original Message ----- From: Virginia Thomson-Baldwin To: tommies at wellswooster.com Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:03 PM Subject: [Tommies] Thomson/Earl of Arundel/East India Company In response to this comment: David Thomson's letter to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship to him. William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas Howard, the Earl and got his start through him http://www.danbyrnes.com.au/business/business13.html By 1639, the East India Company at Surat owned a few country ships (regional traders only, not necessarily beholden to Company authority), and they in various ways saved the Company money. In early 1639 the East India Company was appalled as the Earl of Arundel with the king's backing wanted to get to the east; his plan resembled the Earl of Southampton's venture to settle Mauritius. And that idea simply revived an abandoned project of Prince Rupert. Earl Arundel: This was Thomas Howard (1585-1646), fourteenth Earl Arundel, Earl Norfolk. See Mary F. S. Hervey, The Life, Correspondence and Collections of Thomas Howard, Earl of Arundel. Cambridge University Press, 1921. Kraus Reprint, New York, 1969; genealogical tables. Lorimer, (Ed.), Amazon, p. 194, Note 3. GEC, Peerage, Arundel, p. 255; Norfolk, pp. 624ff. =========== There may be a Thomson connection, however, Maurice Thomson's brother, Robert, was born in 1622 and he, as far as anyone knows, was the last son born into that family. Virginia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Tommies mailing list Tommies at wellswooster.com http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/pipermail/tommies/attachments/20080503/a29413b9/attachment-0001.html From Edelweiss131 at aol.com Sat May 3 13:01:39 2008 From: Edelweiss131 at aol.com (Edelweiss131 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 13:01:39 EDT Subject: [Tommies] more about David Thomson Message-ID: Wilma, Thank you very much ! What is you full name ? George Bryan Thompson **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? 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Cornelia Jane 4) PECKHAM + Melroy Elmer FLEMING + back to John [Ref war] to abt 1700 Ellis Melroy FLEMING + Wilma Grace STEVENS back to James 1791 Wilma Genevieve FLEMING +Orland Fay 11) HAYNES back to Robert -1) abt 1585 Bedfordshire, Eng Wilma -----Original Message----- From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com [mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com]On Behalf Of Edelweiss131 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:02 AM To: tommies at wellswooster.com Subject: Re: [Tommies] more about David Thomson Wilma, Thank you very much ! What is you full name ? George Bryan Thompson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/pipermail/tommies/attachments/20080503/52d02016/attachment.html From gcfraser at peoplepc.com Sat May 3 20:35:34 2008 From: gcfraser at peoplepc.com (gcfraser at peoplepc.com) Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 20:35:34 -0400 Subject: [Tommies] more about David Thomson References: Message-ID: <05a001c8ad7e$c4733bf0$0c00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1> Dear Wilma, I am not sure where the Sir Richard Thomson comes from. I also dispute the Richard and Florence parentage. They were English. David was identified as a Scotsman - clearly his accent gave him away. Richard Thompson in Clerkenswell was a servant. David Thomson was extremely well educated and considered by Thomas Morton to be a scholar. His letter to the Earl of Arundel also proves the social level he was at. In addition, the Massachusetts grant from the Council of New England listed him as Mr. David Thomson, Gent.; children of household servants were not Gentlemen in the system prevalent at that time. David Thomson of Corstorphine meets all the criteria. His father was an extremely wealthy minister (Rev. Richard Thomson) with stipends allocated by King James. His family was well connected too. - His father married into a family which included the Scottish ambassador to England and the Secretary of State of Scotland. David attended the University of Edinburg in 1602. And if the genealogy is valid, he was a direct descendant of King Robert II of Scotland through Alexander Steward, the Earl of Mar - the most famous man of his time. This Thomson line started with the Earl's illegitimate son, Sir Thomas Stewart (son of Thomas). Of course, the Earl was also an illegitimate son of Prince Alexander Stewart aka the Wolf of Baganock. However, this was a day and age when such children were given titles and lands - especially if they proved themselves in battle as both the Earl and his son did - and demonstrated their unflinching loyalty to the King. Genevieve ----- Original Message ----- From: Wilma Fleming Haynes To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendantsandresearchers. Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [Tommies] more about David Thomson My name is Wilma Genevieve Fleming - I can send you more data is your interested - David was a colorful and well educated for that time period - he spoke and understood several Indian dialects - His wife Amias was also interesting, it wasn't until later that I found her 2nd husband Samuel Maverick was my 10th great grand uncle!! the * shows I have oodles of data on these line My lineage goes like this from Richard -2) to myself Sir Richard -2) THOMSON born Scotland + unknown Richard -1) THOMSON born Scotland + Florence CROMLAN David 1) THOMSON born Clerkenwell, London, London, England + Amias 1) Cole back to John c1545 in Hartland Devonshire, England John 2) THOMPSON born Plymouth, Devonshire, England + Sarah 2) [?TREVOR] her father Wm was seaman aboard the SPEEDWELL Mehitable 3) THOMPSON b London, England +Samuel 2) HAYWARD * back to Wm -1) 1578/9 Limstone, Middlesex, Eng Mary 3) HAYWARD +Joseph 3) ROCKWOOD * back to Richard -1) ROCKETT/ROCKWOOD 1572 Trial 4) ROCKWOOD + Samuel 4) WHITE * back to Robert -6) White c1459 , Hampshire, England Joanna 5) WHITE + Solomon 5) CHAPIN * back to Roger -1) 1534 Totnes, Devonshire, England Darius 6) CHAPIN +Margaret 5) BEAMAN * back to Simon 1) 1629 England Salma 7) CHAPIN + Lydia M 6) STRONG * back to Richard/John -1) 1561 , Caernarvon, Wales Lydisette Margaret 7) CHAPIN + William Augustus Franklin 2) PECKHAM * back to WAF 1) Scotland + John Brooks 7) SILLIMAN * back to Daniel 1) 1626 in Geneva, Switzerland George Franklin 3) PECKHAM +Emily Rosella LYONS + back to Asa 1740- her father Reuben helped build "The Little Brown church in the Vale" know that song? Cornelia Jane 4) PECKHAM + Melroy Elmer FLEMING + back to John [Ref war] to abt 1700 Ellis Melroy FLEMING + Wilma Grace STEVENS back to James 1791 Wilma Genevieve FLEMING +Orland Fay 11) HAYNES back to Robert -1) abt 1585 Bedfordshire, Eng Wilma -----Original Message----- From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com [mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com]On Behalf Of Edelweiss131 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:02 AM To: tommies at wellswooster.com Subject: Re: [Tommies] more about David Thomson Wilma, Thank you very much ! What is you full name ? George Bryan Thompson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tommies mailing list Tommies at wellswooster.com http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/pipermail/tommies/attachments/20080503/a6286565/attachment-0001.html From Edelweiss131 at aol.com Mon May 5 08:27:40 2008 From: Edelweiss131 at aol.com (Edelweiss131 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 08:27:40 EDT Subject: [Tommies] more about David Thomson Message-ID: Thank you Wilma Yes, please send me some more Thompson Family History. George Bryan Thompson **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/pipermail/tommies/attachments/20080505/55664073/attachment.html From morrisb at libcoop.net Mon May 5 16:20:21 2008 From: morrisb at libcoop.net (morrisb) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 16:20:21 -0400 Subject: [Tommies] more about David Thomson References: Message-ID: <00cf01c8aef5$dcb61480$6b01a8c0@computer> Wilma, I have appreciated the information you have made available to the Tommies in recent emails, as well as the exchange about the heritage of David Thompson. This matters little, however, if we cannot connect with David's descendants. Can you provide further data on John (2) Thompson, son of David? What are your sources or proofs for the John who settled at Mendon being the same John who was the son of David? As you no doubt know, Robert Charles Anderson in his Great Migration study, questions this. Those of us who descend from John (2) would like to be able to establish him as our ancestor. Can you help? Thanks! 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Subject: Re: [Tommies] more about David Thomson Wilma, I have appreciated the information you have made available to the Tommies in recent emails, as well as the exchange about the heritage of David Thompson. This matters little, however, if we cannot connect with David's descendants. Can you provide further data on John (2) Thompson, son of David? What are your sources or proofs for the John who settled at Mendon being the same John who was the son of David? As you no doubt know, Robert Charles Anderson in his Great Migration study, questions this. Those of us who descend from John (2) would like to be able to establish him as our ancestor. Can you help? Thanks! Betty Lou morrisb at libcoop.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/pipermail/tommies/attachments/20080506/17b4e2ac/attachment.html From gcfraser at peoplepc.com Tue May 6 13:07:16 2008 From: gcfraser at peoplepc.com (gcfraser at peoplepc.com) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 13:07:16 -0400 Subject: [Tommies] more about David Thomson References: Message-ID: <002a01c8af9b$a3391d00$0c00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1> My very deepest sympathy, Wilma. I am shocked and saddened to learn of your daughter's death. Genevieve ----- Original Message ----- From: Wilma Fleming Haynes To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendantsandresearchers. Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Tommies] more about David Thomson I will get back to all of you - my daughter Kathleen just passed away - very sudden and I am kinda a mess right now - Wilma -----Original Message----- From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com [mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com]On Behalf Of morrisb Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 1:20 PM To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendantsandresearchers. Subject: Re: [Tommies] more about David Thomson Wilma, I have appreciated the information you have made available to the Tommies in recent emails, as well as the exchange about the heritage of David Thompson. This matters little, however, if we cannot connect with David's descendants. Can you provide further data on John (2) Thompson, son of David? What are your sources or proofs for the John who settled at Mendon being the same John who was the son of David? As you no doubt know, Robert Charles Anderson in his Great Migration study, questions this. Those of us who descend from John (2) would like to be able to establish him as our ancestor. Can you help? Thanks! Betty Lou morrisb at libcoop.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tommies mailing list Tommies at wellswooster.com http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/pipermail/tommies/attachments/20080506/0f778d71/attachment.html From gcfraser at peoplepc.com Sat May 10 10:39:41 2008 From: gcfraser at peoplepc.com (gcfraser at peoplepc.com) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 10:39:41 -0400 Subject: [Tommies] more about David Thomson References: <00cf01c8aef5$dcb61480$6b01a8c0@computer> Message-ID: <02f101c8b2ab$aef08850$0c00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1> Betty, I don't have time to dig through all my resources, but it is almost a certainty that John's father is David. I found a very old, handwritten Mendon document in the RI historic society that states this. I notified Andersen but he brushed it off. His theory is based on John while in Mendon being referred to as Goodman, not Mr. - A Goodman was a landowner which was his position in Mendon. He had lost his shirt as a ship's master (Mr.) a decade or so earlier. The Weymouth records list John's age in a document which is identical to John's birth date in Plymouth England. There are many other reasons' to believe this too, including signature fragments that seem to match. At some point I have other leads I plan to follow too. Genevieve ----- Original Message ----- From: morrisb To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendantsandresearchers. Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Tommies] more about David Thomson Wilma, I have appreciated the information you have made available to the Tommies in recent emails, as well as the exchange about the heritage of David Thompson. This matters little, however, if we cannot connect with David's descendants. Can you provide further data on John (2) Thompson, son of David? What are your sources or proofs for the John who settled at Mendon being the same John who was the son of David? As you no doubt know, Robert Charles Anderson in his Great Migration study, questions this. Those of us who descend from John (2) would like to be able to establish him as our ancestor. Can you help? Thanks! Betty Lou morrisb at libcoop.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tommies mailing list Tommies at wellswooster.com http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/pipermail/tommies/attachments/20080510/45fdfaf4/attachment-0001.html From morrisb at libcoop.net Sun May 18 19:53:10 2008 From: morrisb at libcoop.net (morrisb) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 19:53:10 -0400 Subject: [Tommies] more about David Thomson References: <00cf01c8aef5$dcb61480$6b01a8c0@computer> <02f101c8b2ab$aef08850$0c00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1> Message-ID: <004b01c8b947$56d55fe0$6b01a8c0@computer> Genevieve, I really appreciate your response to my concern about the need for information to show that John Thompson, son of David, was the same John Thompson of Weymouth and Mendon, MA from whom so many of us descend. While we all believe this to be true, we are sadly lacking in evidence to back it up. Even though we may never find any primary evidence to prove this connection, we need to collect as much secondary evidence as possible to support it. You say that there is a handwritten Mendon document in the RI Historical Society library that states that David was John's father. What is the library citation for that document? What is the source for the birth date and place for John, son of David in England? Where in Weymouth records is the document that gives John's age -- a match for the date in England? As things stand, it seems to me that we have only circumstantial evidence that the two Johns are the same man and nothing to show the sources for even the circumstantial evidence. Or am I missing something? I find many differences in the dates and places listed for John's birth and marriage. Was it in England or in Massachusetts? Did he marry "a Sarah" or Sarah Trevore? I wonder if each of us Tommies has different data on our charts for John? And where did our data come from? Has anyone on our list ever presented these facts to share with the others? I am trying to bring my genealogy research to some kind of close because I have recently become legally blind and cannot see to read without a magnifying glass and cannot travel to do research or read microfilm any longer. This John Thompson problem is frustrating. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who is willing to share his chart for John. Betty Lou -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/pipermail/tommies/attachments/20080518/a1762dfd/attachment.html