[Tommies] Fw: DNA
gcfraser at peoplepc.com
gcfraser at peoplepc.com
Wed Jun 6 20:03:28 EDT 2007
Sorry, I'm confusing the Alices.
Genevieve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alyce Elliott" <aete at northnet.org>
To: "Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
andresearchers." <tommies at wellswooster.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
> That's Alice Paladini, who I hope to visit sometime, too. --Alyce Elliott
>
> At 02:20 PM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
>>Much of my research is primary source. I have had 4 articles published to
>>date but had stopped serious work since I began writing the WW II saga, In
>>the Claw of the Tiger - hopefully out by September.
>>
>>Good to hear from you. I need to visit with my digital camera. It would
>>be
>>good to see you again. Are you still in Mendon?
>>
>>Genevieve
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Alyce Elliott" <aete at northnet.org>
>>To: "Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
>>andresearchers." <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:16 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>>
>>
>> > Do you have any book completed to date, Gen, or will the two you
>> > refer to be the first? Are they Thompson related or another branch
>> > of research? Please keep the list posted. I am very interested in
>> > securing copies of any Thompson book. I know the diligent research
>> > and travel you've been committed to since I've had contact with you
>> > via this list; most impressive!
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Alyce Thompson Elliott
>> >
>> > At 10:31 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
>> >>Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never uncovered any primary
>> >>source document anywhere (America, Scotland, England) that indicates
>> >>that
>> >>Mr. David Thomson, Gent. - a Scotsman by all accounts- was ever a
>> >>servant
>> >>of
>> >>Sir Ferdinando Gorges. Everything written on that account is
>> >>speculation.
>> >>Sir Ferdinando was invited to speak before Parliament - to answer
>> >>charges
>> >>that he was engaging in monopolistic practices. David spoke before the
>> >>Privy Council (the King's top Lords) and was assigned tasks by them on
>> >>behalf of the King. In that sense, he was a servant of the Privy
>> >>Council
>> >>or
>> >>it could be argued of King James.
>> >>
>> >>David worked with Sir Ferdinando - as the records indicate - in
>> >>securing
>> >>the
>> >>business of the Council for New England but that is the only linkage I
>> >>have
>> >>found. In his letter to the Earl of Arundel, David recommends Mason as
>> >>a
>> >>governor but there is no indication that he worked for him either. If
>> >>David
>> >>worked for anyone it was the Earl of Arundel - or he might simply have
>> >>been
>> >>helping him out in terms of accessing resources, such as marble or
>> >>giving
>> >>him an account of the Council's investments. He also performed legal
>> >>and
>> >>managerial functions for the Council. They refer to him as acting on
>> >>their
>> >>behalf as their attorney and as governor for the Massachusetts. The
>> >>people
>> >>who signed this document were the King's cousin, Lennox - Arundel and
>> >>the
>> >>Marquis Hamilton, also a Scotsman. In that sense, David was a servant
>> >>of
>> >>the Council - but strictly as a professional.
>> >>
>> >>I also believe that Sarah is a Trevour based on a marriage document I
>> >>unearthed from London. But the writing is very difficult with odd
>> >>letter
>> >>formations. As the First Yankee affirms - when John needed to find
>> >>Captain
>> >>William Trevour as a witness, he had no problem. So he knew of his
>> >>whereabouts.
>> >>
>> >>David was "conversant" with the natives, but he was a wealthy merchant
>> >>in
>> >>Plymouth and would have known Gorges and the Indians that lived there.
>> >>
>> >>The weight of evidence still points to David Thomson as David of
>> >>Corstorphine, Scotland. His stepmother, Agnes Fouls' niece was married
>> >>to
>> >>the King's lawyer, Thomas Hamilton who was the Sec'y of State of
>> >>Scotland
>> >>at
>> >>the time of David's grants. David Thomson's step-brother was Adam
>> >>Hepburn,
>> >>clerk to the Sec'y of State and later a Senator in Scotland. It is
>> >>said
>> >>that King James ruled Scotland by the pen - he gave direct orders to
>> >>Hamilton who basically ran Scotland in James' absence while serving as
>> >>King
>> >>of England. (He was the de-facto King.) The Foulis family and their
>> >>relatives lent money and the Crown Jewels to the King. The Queen was
>> >>in
>> >>debt to them up to her eyebrows. David Thomson was a part of that
>> >>family!
>> >>Yes, he was treated with favor.
>> >>
>> >>James died in 1625 as did Lennox and a few other lynchpins. Arundel
>> >>was
>> >>sent to the tower - that's why he didn't answer David right away.
>> >>Poison
>> >>may have been involved in a few of the deaths - possibly even the
>> >>King -
>> >>according to his physician. At that point there was a reversal of
>> >>fortune
>> >>and the rest is history as they say.
>> >>
>> >>I have two books that I need to get out ASAP and then I start on a book
>> >>about David. Possible title: Searching for David (died about 1628)
>> >>
>> >>Genevieve
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Jack Savidge" <jsavidge at pacbell.net>
>> >>To: "'Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendantsand
>> >>researchers.'" <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>> >>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:42 AM
>> >>Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > And I thought this forum was not active - wonderful to be able to
>> >> > discuss
>> >> > David & John Thomson.
>> >> >
>> >> > Question #1- Has the wife of John Thomson, son of David, been
>> >> > uncovered
>> >> > or
>> >> > validated. A David Thomson book, "The First Yankee" infers that she
>> >> > was
>> >> > Sarah Trevore, daughter of Mayflower seaman William Travore
>> >> > (Travour)?
>> >> >
>> >> > Question #2 - Philbrick's book, Mayflower, makes much of Squanto
>> >> > sauntering
>> >> > into Plymouth speaking near perfect English. Sir Gorges memoirs note
>> >> > he
>> >> > assigned the task to teach Squanto English to "his servant" who it
>> >> > could
>> >> > be
>> >> > surmised was David T. Why have not the historians come forward to
>> >> > place
>> >> > credit for Squanto's life sustaining actions to the Pilgrims where
>> >> > it
>> >> > may
>> >> > belong?
>> >> >
>> >> > Hope we can keep this up. I too stem from John to John to John ....
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks all,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Jack Savidge
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com
>> >> > [mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com] On Behalf Of
>> >> > gcfraser at peoplepc.com
>> >> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:10 PM
>> >> > To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
>> >> > andresearchers.
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>> >> >
>> >> > Miles might be related to David. John was his eldest.
>> >> >
>> >> > What is William Thomson's line of descent? Where was he born?
>> >> >
>> >> > By the way, here's another tidbit!! William Crowne (considered to a
>> >> > founder
>> >> >
>> >> > of Mendon) and John Thomson Sr. did not get along. David Thomson's
>> >> > letter
>> >> > to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship
>> >> > to
>> >> > him.
>> >> > William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas
>> >> > Howard,
>> >> >
>> >> > the Earl and got his start through him. When Thomas was in trouble
>> >> > with
>> >> > the
>> >> >
>> >> > authorities, William Crowne betrayed him. That might be at the base
>> >> > of
>> >> > John's distrust of him.
>> >> >
>> >> > Genevieve
>> >> > PS I have a distant cousin, David Thomson, around somewhere but his
>> >> > mother
>> >> > must have died, I cannot contact her to get her son to have the DNA
>> >> > test.
>> >> >
>> >> > PSS I was at the Getty Museum library in CA and found a book which
>> >> > details
>> >> > the issue of William Crowne (later of Mendon). The famous painting
>> >> > of
>> >> > Thomas Howard by Van Dyke is at the Getty. There are also
>> >> > markings/symbols
>> >> > in the painting that look somewhat Masonic. According to his bio,
>> >> > Thomas
>> >> > Howard became head of the Masons in 1632 in London. He also
>> >> > sponsored
>> >> > the
>> >> > builders and sculptors and was chair of the London building
>> >> > committee
>> >> > after
>> >> > the fire that burnt the Banquet -hall. David'd letter begins by
>> >> > talking
>> >> > about marble samples he sent the Earl.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "James Thompson" <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net>
>> >> > To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>> >> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:50 PM
>> >> > Subject: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the
>> >> >>E-mail
>> >> >>to
>> >> >>the
>> >> >> 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing. I haven't seen any responses
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> either
>> >> >> of the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest.
>> >> >> However,
>> >> >> rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> list
>> >> >> that the two questions that can be answered by DNA testing are:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 1. Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2. Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a
>> >> >> relatively
>> >> >> simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions. I
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that
>> >> >> there
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> support for such a program. Clearly, the assistance of Scottish
>> >> >> descendants
>> >> >> (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be
>> >> >> confirmed
>> >> >> by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by
>> >> >> descendants
>> >> >> of Miles Thompson.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is there any response?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jim Thompson, in Dallas
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: <dethom at tds.net>
>> >> >> To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
>> >> >> Subject: [Tommies] DNA
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Hi Tommies,
>> >> >>> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing
>> >> >>> their
>> >> >>> DNA.
>> >> >>> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are
>> >> >>> firth
>> >> >>> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common
>> >> >>> ancestry
>> >> >>> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now
>> >> >>> we
>> >> >>> know
>> >> >>> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check
>> >> >>> familytreeDNA
>> >> >>> and go to the surname list Thompson.
>> >> >>> Don Thompson
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