[Tommies] Fw: DNA

Alyce Elliott aete at northnet.org
Wed Jun 6 19:53:43 EDT 2007 

That's Alice Paladini, who I hope to visit sometime, too.  --Alyce Elliott

At 02:20 PM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
>Much of my research is primary source.  I have had 4 articles published to
>date but had stopped serious work since I began writing the WW II saga, In
>the Claw of the Tiger - hopefully out by September.
>
>Good to hear from you.  I need to visit with my digital camera.  It would be
>good to see you again.  Are you still in Mendon?
>
>Genevieve
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Alyce Elliott" <aete at northnet.org>
>To: "Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
>andresearchers." <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:16 AM
>Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>
>
> > Do you have any book completed to date, Gen, or will the two you
> > refer to be the first?  Are they Thompson related or another branch
> > of research?  Please keep the list posted.  I am very interested in
> > securing copies of any Thompson book.  I know the diligent research
> > and travel you've been committed to since I've had contact with you
> > via this list; most impressive!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Alyce Thompson Elliott
> >
> > At 10:31 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
> >>Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never uncovered any primary
> >>source document anywhere (America, Scotland, England) that indicates that
> >>Mr. David Thomson, Gent. - a Scotsman by all accounts- was ever a servant
> >>of
> >>Sir Ferdinando Gorges.  Everything written on that account is speculation.
> >>Sir Ferdinando was invited to speak before Parliament - to answer charges
> >>that he was engaging in monopolistic practices.  David spoke before the
> >>Privy Council (the King's top Lords) and was assigned tasks by them on
> >>behalf of the King.  In that sense, he was a servant of the Privy Council
> >>or
> >>it could be argued of King James.
> >>
> >>David worked with Sir Ferdinando - as the records indicate - in securing
> >>the
> >>business of the Council for New England but that is the only linkage I
> >>have
> >>found.  In his letter to the Earl of Arundel, David recommends Mason as a
> >>governor but there is no indication that he worked for him either.  If
> >>David
> >>worked for anyone it was the Earl of Arundel - or he might simply have
> >>been
> >>helping him out in terms of accessing resources, such as marble or giving
> >>him an account of the Council's investments.  He also performed legal and
> >>managerial functions for the Council.  They refer to him as acting on
> >>their
> >>behalf as their attorney and as governor for the Massachusetts.  The
> >>people
> >>who signed this document were the King's cousin, Lennox - Arundel and the
> >>Marquis Hamilton, also a Scotsman.  In that sense, David was a servant of
> >>the Council - but strictly as a professional.
> >>
> >>I also believe that Sarah is a Trevour based on a marriage document I
> >>unearthed from London.  But the writing is very difficult with odd letter
> >>formations.  As the First Yankee affirms - when John needed to find
> >>Captain
> >>William Trevour as a witness, he had no problem.  So he knew of his
> >>whereabouts.
> >>
> >>David was "conversant" with the natives, but he was a wealthy merchant in
> >>Plymouth and would have known Gorges and the Indians that lived there.
> >>
> >>The weight of evidence still points to David Thomson as David of
> >>Corstorphine, Scotland.  His stepmother, Agnes Fouls' niece was married to
> >>the King's lawyer, Thomas Hamilton who was the Sec'y of State of Scotland
> >>at
> >>the time of David's grants.  David Thomson's step-brother was Adam
> >>Hepburn,
> >>clerk to the Sec'y of State and later a Senator in Scotland.  It is said
> >>that King James ruled Scotland by the pen - he gave direct orders to
> >>Hamilton who basically ran Scotland in James' absence while serving as
> >>King
> >>of England.  (He was the de-facto King.) The Foulis family and their
> >>relatives lent money and the Crown Jewels to the King.  The Queen was in
> >>debt to them up to her eyebrows.  David Thomson was a part of that family!
> >>Yes, he was treated with favor.
> >>
> >>James died in 1625 as did Lennox and a few other lynchpins.  Arundel was
> >>sent to the tower - that's why he didn't answer David right away.  Poison
> >>may have been involved in a few of the deaths - possibly even the King -
> >>according to his physician.  At that point there was a reversal of fortune
> >>and the rest is history as they say.
> >>
> >>I have two books that I need to get out ASAP and then I start on a book
> >>about David.  Possible title:  Searching for David (died about 1628)
> >>
> >>Genevieve
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Jack Savidge" <jsavidge at pacbell.net>
> >>To: "'Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendantsand
> >>researchers.'" <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:42 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
> >>
> >>
> >> > And I thought this forum was not active - wonderful to be able to
> >> > discuss
> >> > David & John Thomson.
> >> >
> >> > Question #1- Has the wife of John Thomson, son of David, been uncovered
> >> > or
> >> > validated. A David Thomson book, "The First Yankee" infers that she was
> >> > Sarah Trevore, daughter of Mayflower seaman William Travore (Travour)?
> >> >
> >> > Question #2 - Philbrick's book, Mayflower, makes much of Squanto
> >> > sauntering
> >> > into Plymouth speaking near perfect English. Sir Gorges memoirs note he
> >> > assigned the task to teach Squanto English to "his servant" who it
> >> > could
> >> > be
> >> > surmised was David T. Why have not the historians come forward to place
> >> > credit for Squanto's  life sustaining actions to the Pilgrims where it
> >> > may
> >> > belong?
> >> >
> >> > Hope we can keep this up. I too stem from John to John to John ....
> >> >
> >> > Thanks all,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Jack Savidge
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com
> >> > [mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com] On Behalf Of
> >> > gcfraser at peoplepc.com
> >> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:10 PM
> >> > To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
> >> > andresearchers.
> >> > Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
> >> >
> >> > Miles might be related to David.  John was his eldest.
> >> >
> >> > What is William Thomson's line of descent?  Where was he born?
> >> >
> >> > By the way, here's another tidbit!!  William Crowne (considered to a
> >> > founder
> >> >
> >> > of Mendon) and John Thomson Sr. did not get along.  David Thomson's
> >> > letter
> >> > to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship to
> >> > him.
> >> > William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas
> >> > Howard,
> >> >
> >> > the Earl and got his start through him.  When Thomas was in trouble
> >> > with
> >> > the
> >> >
> >> > authorities, William Crowne betrayed him.  That might be at the base of
> >> > John's distrust of him.
> >> >
> >> > Genevieve
> >> > PS  I have a distant cousin, David Thomson, around somewhere but his
> >> > mother
> >> > must have died, I cannot contact her to get her son to have the DNA
> >> > test.
> >> >
> >> > PSS I was at the Getty Museum library in CA and found a book which
> >> > details
> >> > the issue of William Crowne (later of Mendon).  The famous painting of
> >> > Thomas Howard by Van Dyke is at the Getty.  There are also
> >> > markings/symbols
> >> > in the painting that look somewhat Masonic.  According to his bio,
> >> > Thomas
> >> > Howard became head of the Masons in 1632 in London.  He also sponsored
> >> > the
> >> > builders and sculptors and was chair of the London building committee
> >> > after
> >> > the fire that burnt the Banquet -hall.  David'd letter begins by
> >> > talking
> >> > about marble samples he sent the Earl.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "James Thompson" <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net>
> >> > To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> >> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:50 PM
> >> > Subject: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail
> >> >>to
> >> >>the
> >> >> 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to
> >> >> either
> >> >> of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest.
> >> >> However,
> >> >> rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the
> >> >> list
> >> >> that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
> >> >>
> >> >>                1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
> >> >>
> >> >>                2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
> >> >>
> >> >>      These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a
> >> >> relatively
> >> >> simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I
> >> >> will
> >> >> submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there
> >> >> is
> >> >> support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish
> >> >> descendants
> >> >> (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be
> >> >> confirmed
> >> >> by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by
> >> >> descendants
> >> >> of Miles Thompson.
> >> >>
> >> >>          Is there any response?
> >> >>
> >> >>                    Jim Thompson, in Dallas
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: <dethom at tds.net>
> >> >> To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
> >> >> Subject: [Tommies] DNA
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Hi Tommies,
> >> >>> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their
> >> >>> DNA.
> >> >>> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are
> >> >>> firth
> >> >>> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common
> >> >>> ancestry
> >> >>> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we
> >> >>> know
> >> >>> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check
> >> >>> familytreeDNA
> >> >>> and go to the surname list Thompson.
> >> >>> Don Thompson
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