[Tommies] Fw: DNA
gcfraser at peoplepc.com
gcfraser at peoplepc.com
Wed Jun 6 14:20:17 EDT 2007
Much of my research is primary source. I have had 4 articles published to
date but had stopped serious work since I began writing the WW II saga, In
the Claw of the Tiger - hopefully out by September.
Good to hear from you. I need to visit with my digital camera. It would be
good to see you again. Are you still in Mendon?
Genevieve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alyce Elliott" <aete at northnet.org>
To: "Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
andresearchers." <tommies at wellswooster.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
> Do you have any book completed to date, Gen, or will the two you
> refer to be the first? Are they Thompson related or another branch
> of research? Please keep the list posted. I am very interested in
> securing copies of any Thompson book. I know the diligent research
> and travel you've been committed to since I've had contact with you
> via this list; most impressive!
>
> Regards,
> Alyce Thompson Elliott
>
> At 10:31 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
>>Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never uncovered any primary
>>source document anywhere (America, Scotland, England) that indicates that
>>Mr. David Thomson, Gent. - a Scotsman by all accounts- was ever a servant
>>of
>>Sir Ferdinando Gorges. Everything written on that account is speculation.
>>Sir Ferdinando was invited to speak before Parliament - to answer charges
>>that he was engaging in monopolistic practices. David spoke before the
>>Privy Council (the King's top Lords) and was assigned tasks by them on
>>behalf of the King. In that sense, he was a servant of the Privy Council
>>or
>>it could be argued of King James.
>>
>>David worked with Sir Ferdinando - as the records indicate - in securing
>>the
>>business of the Council for New England but that is the only linkage I
>>have
>>found. In his letter to the Earl of Arundel, David recommends Mason as a
>>governor but there is no indication that he worked for him either. If
>>David
>>worked for anyone it was the Earl of Arundel - or he might simply have
>>been
>>helping him out in terms of accessing resources, such as marble or giving
>>him an account of the Council's investments. He also performed legal and
>>managerial functions for the Council. They refer to him as acting on
>>their
>>behalf as their attorney and as governor for the Massachusetts. The
>>people
>>who signed this document were the King's cousin, Lennox - Arundel and the
>>Marquis Hamilton, also a Scotsman. In that sense, David was a servant of
>>the Council - but strictly as a professional.
>>
>>I also believe that Sarah is a Trevour based on a marriage document I
>>unearthed from London. But the writing is very difficult with odd letter
>>formations. As the First Yankee affirms - when John needed to find
>>Captain
>>William Trevour as a witness, he had no problem. So he knew of his
>>whereabouts.
>>
>>David was "conversant" with the natives, but he was a wealthy merchant in
>>Plymouth and would have known Gorges and the Indians that lived there.
>>
>>The weight of evidence still points to David Thomson as David of
>>Corstorphine, Scotland. His stepmother, Agnes Fouls' niece was married to
>>the King's lawyer, Thomas Hamilton who was the Sec'y of State of Scotland
>>at
>>the time of David's grants. David Thomson's step-brother was Adam
>>Hepburn,
>>clerk to the Sec'y of State and later a Senator in Scotland. It is said
>>that King James ruled Scotland by the pen - he gave direct orders to
>>Hamilton who basically ran Scotland in James' absence while serving as
>>King
>>of England. (He was the de-facto King.) The Foulis family and their
>>relatives lent money and the Crown Jewels to the King. The Queen was in
>>debt to them up to her eyebrows. David Thomson was a part of that family!
>>Yes, he was treated with favor.
>>
>>James died in 1625 as did Lennox and a few other lynchpins. Arundel was
>>sent to the tower - that's why he didn't answer David right away. Poison
>>may have been involved in a few of the deaths - possibly even the King -
>>according to his physician. At that point there was a reversal of fortune
>>and the rest is history as they say.
>>
>>I have two books that I need to get out ASAP and then I start on a book
>>about David. Possible title: Searching for David (died about 1628)
>>
>>Genevieve
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Jack Savidge" <jsavidge at pacbell.net>
>>To: "'Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendantsand
>>researchers.'" <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:42 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>>
>>
>> > And I thought this forum was not active - wonderful to be able to
>> > discuss
>> > David & John Thomson.
>> >
>> > Question #1- Has the wife of John Thomson, son of David, been uncovered
>> > or
>> > validated. A David Thomson book, "The First Yankee" infers that she was
>> > Sarah Trevore, daughter of Mayflower seaman William Travore (Travour)?
>> >
>> > Question #2 - Philbrick's book, Mayflower, makes much of Squanto
>> > sauntering
>> > into Plymouth speaking near perfect English. Sir Gorges memoirs note he
>> > assigned the task to teach Squanto English to "his servant" who it
>> > could
>> > be
>> > surmised was David T. Why have not the historians come forward to place
>> > credit for Squanto's life sustaining actions to the Pilgrims where it
>> > may
>> > belong?
>> >
>> > Hope we can keep this up. I too stem from John to John to John ....
>> >
>> > Thanks all,
>> >
>> >
>> > Jack Savidge
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com
>> > [mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com] On Behalf Of
>> > gcfraser at peoplepc.com
>> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:10 PM
>> > To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
>> > andresearchers.
>> > Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>> >
>> > Miles might be related to David. John was his eldest.
>> >
>> > What is William Thomson's line of descent? Where was he born?
>> >
>> > By the way, here's another tidbit!! William Crowne (considered to a
>> > founder
>> >
>> > of Mendon) and John Thomson Sr. did not get along. David Thomson's
>> > letter
>> > to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship to
>> > him.
>> > William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas
>> > Howard,
>> >
>> > the Earl and got his start through him. When Thomas was in trouble
>> > with
>> > the
>> >
>> > authorities, William Crowne betrayed him. That might be at the base of
>> > John's distrust of him.
>> >
>> > Genevieve
>> > PS I have a distant cousin, David Thomson, around somewhere but his
>> > mother
>> > must have died, I cannot contact her to get her son to have the DNA
>> > test.
>> >
>> > PSS I was at the Getty Museum library in CA and found a book which
>> > details
>> > the issue of William Crowne (later of Mendon). The famous painting of
>> > Thomas Howard by Van Dyke is at the Getty. There are also
>> > markings/symbols
>> > in the painting that look somewhat Masonic. According to his bio,
>> > Thomas
>> > Howard became head of the Masons in 1632 in London. He also sponsored
>> > the
>> > builders and sculptors and was chair of the London building committee
>> > after
>> > the fire that burnt the Banquet -hall. David'd letter begins by
>> > talking
>> > about marble samples he sent the Earl.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "James Thompson" <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net>
>> > To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:50 PM
>> > Subject: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>> >
>> >
>> >>I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail
>> >>to
>> >>the
>> >> 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing. I haven't seen any responses to
>> >> either
>> >> of the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest.
>> >> However,
>> >> rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the
>> >> list
>> >> that the two questions that can be answered by DNA testing are:
>> >>
>> >> 1. Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
>> >>
>> >> 2. Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
>> >>
>> >> These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a
>> >> relatively
>> >> simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions. I
>> >> will
>> >> submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there
>> >> is
>> >> support for such a program. Clearly, the assistance of Scottish
>> >> descendants
>> >> (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be
>> >> confirmed
>> >> by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by
>> >> descendants
>> >> of Miles Thompson.
>> >>
>> >> Is there any response?
>> >>
>> >> Jim Thompson, in Dallas
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: <dethom at tds.net>
>> >> To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
>> >> Subject: [Tommies] DNA
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Hi Tommies,
>> >>> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their
>> >>> DNA.
>> >>> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are
>> >>> firth
>> >>> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common
>> >>> ancestry
>> >>> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we
>> >>> know
>> >>> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check
>> >>> familytreeDNA
>> >>> and go to the surname list Thompson.
>> >>> Don Thompson
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