[Tommies] Fw: DNA

Wed Jun 6 11:16:59 EDT 2007

Do you have any book completed to date, Gen, or will the two you 
refer to be the first?  Are they Thompson related or another branch 
of research?  Please keep the list posted.  I am very interested in 
securing copies of any Thompson book.  I know the diligent research 
and travel you've been committed to since I've had contact with you 
via this list; most impressive!

Regards,
Alyce Thompson Elliott

At 10:31 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
>Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never uncovered any primary
>source document anywhere (America, Scotland, England) that indicates that
>Mr. David Thomson, Gent. - a Scotsman by all accounts- was ever a servant of
>Sir Ferdinando Gorges.  Everything written on that account is speculation.
>Sir Ferdinando was invited to speak before Parliament - to answer charges
>that he was engaging in monopolistic practices.  David spoke before the
>Privy Council (the King's top Lords) and was assigned tasks by them on
>behalf of the King.  In that sense, he was a servant of the Privy Council or
>it could be argued of King James.
>
>David worked with Sir Ferdinando - as the records indicate - in securing the
>business of the Council for New England but that is the only linkage I have
>found.  In his letter to the Earl of Arundel, David recommends Mason as a
>governor but there is no indication that he worked for him either.  If David
>worked for anyone it was the Earl of Arundel - or he might simply have been
>helping him out in terms of accessing resources, such as marble or giving
>him an account of the Council's investments.  He also performed legal and
>managerial functions for the Council.  They refer to him as acting on their
>behalf as their attorney and as governor for the Massachusetts.  The people
>who signed this document were the King's cousin, Lennox - Arundel and the
>Marquis Hamilton, also a Scotsman.  In that sense, David was a servant of
>the Council - but strictly as a professional.
>
>I also believe that Sarah is a Trevour based on a marriage document I
>unearthed from London.  But the writing is very difficult with odd letter
>formations.  As the First Yankee affirms - when John needed to find Captain
>William Trevour as a witness, he had no problem.  So he knew of his
>whereabouts.
>
>David was "conversant" with the natives, but he was a wealthy merchant in
>Plymouth and would have known Gorges and the Indians that lived there.
>
>The weight of evidence still points to David Thomson as David of
>Corstorphine, Scotland.  His stepmother, Agnes Fouls' niece was married to
>the King's lawyer, Thomas Hamilton who was the Sec'y of State of Scotland at
>the time of David's grants.  David Thomson's step-brother was Adam Hepburn,
>clerk to the Sec'y of State and later a Senator in Scotland.  It is said
>that King James ruled Scotland by the pen - he gave direct orders to
>Hamilton who basically ran Scotland in James' absence while serving as King
>of England.  (He was the de-facto King.) The Foulis family and their
>relatives lent money and the Crown Jewels to the King.  The Queen was in
>debt to them up to her eyebrows.  David Thomson was a part of that family!
>Yes, he was treated with favor.
>
>James died in 1625 as did Lennox and a few other lynchpins.  Arundel was
>sent to the tower - that's why he didn't answer David right away.  Poison
>may have been involved in a few of the deaths - possibly even the King -
>according to his physician.  At that point there was a reversal of fortune
>and the rest is history as they say.
>
>I have two books that I need to get out ASAP and then I start on a book
>about David.  Possible title:  Searching for David (died about 1628)
>
>Genevieve
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jack Savidge" <jsavidge at pacbell.net>
>To: "'Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendantsand
>researchers.'" <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:42 AM
>Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>
>
> > And I thought this forum was not active - wonderful to be able to discuss
> > David & John Thomson.
> >
> > Question #1- Has the wife of John Thomson, son of David, been uncovered or
> > validated. A David Thomson book, "The First Yankee" infers that she was
> > Sarah Trevore, daughter of Mayflower seaman William Travore (Travour)?
> >
> > Question #2 - Philbrick's book, Mayflower, makes much of Squanto
> > sauntering
> > into Plymouth speaking near perfect English. Sir Gorges memoirs note he
> > assigned the task to teach Squanto English to "his servant" who it could
> > be
> > surmised was David T. Why have not the historians come forward to place
> > credit for Squanto's  life sustaining actions to the Pilgrims where it may
> > belong?
> >
> > Hope we can keep this up. I too stem from John to John to John ....
> >
> > Thanks all,
> >
> >
> > Jack Savidge
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com
> > [mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com] On Behalf Of
> > gcfraser at peoplepc.com
> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:10 PM
> > To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
> > andresearchers.
> > Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
> >
> > Miles might be related to David.  John was his eldest.
> >
> > What is William Thomson's line of descent?  Where was he born?
> >
> > By the way, here's another tidbit!!  William Crowne (considered to a
> > founder
> >
> > of Mendon) and John Thomson Sr. did not get along.  David Thomson's letter
> > to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship to
> > him.
> > William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas
> > Howard,
> >
> > the Earl and got his start through him.  When Thomas was in trouble with
> > the
> >
> > authorities, William Crowne betrayed him.  That might be at the base of
> > John's distrust of him.
> >
> > Genevieve
> > PS  I have a distant cousin, David Thomson, around somewhere but his
> > mother
> > must have died, I cannot contact her to get her son to have the DNA test.
> >
> > PSS I was at the Getty Museum library in CA and found a book which details
> > the issue of William Crowne (later of Mendon).  The famous painting of
> > Thomas Howard by Van Dyke is at the Getty.  There are also
> > markings/symbols
> > in the painting that look somewhat Masonic.  According to his bio, Thomas
> > Howard became head of the Masons in 1632 in London.  He also sponsored the
> > builders and sculptors and was chair of the London building committee
> > after
> > the fire that burnt the Banquet -hall.  David'd letter begins by talking
> > about marble samples he sent the Earl.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Thompson" <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:50 PM
> > Subject: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
> >
> >
> >>I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail to
> >>the
> >> 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to
> >> either
> >> of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest.
> >> However,
> >> rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the
> >> list
> >> that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
> >>
> >>                1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
> >>
> >>                2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
> >>
> >>      These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a
> >> relatively
> >> simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I will
> >> submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there is
> >> support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish
> >> descendants
> >> (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be
> >> confirmed
> >> by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by
> >> descendants
> >> of Miles Thompson.
> >>
> >>          Is there any response?
> >>
> >>                    Jim Thompson, in Dallas
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <dethom at tds.net>
> >> To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
> >> Subject: [Tommies] DNA
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi Tommies,
> >>> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their
> >>> DNA.
> >>> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are firth
> >>> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common
> >>> ancestry
> >>> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we know
> >>> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check
> >>> familytreeDNA
> >>> and go to the surname list Thompson.
> >>> Don Thompson
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