From j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun  4 18:50:02 2007
From: j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net (James Thompson)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:50:02 -0500
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
Message-ID: <002701c7a6fa$b2b28ff0$667ba8c0@JimsPC>

I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail to the 
'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to either 
of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest.  However, 
rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the list 
that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:

                1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?

                2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?

      These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a relatively 
simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I will 
submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there is 
support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish descendants 
(there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be confirmed 
by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by descendants 
of Miles Thompson.

          Is there any response?

                    Jim Thompson, in Dallas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dethom at tds.net>
To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
Subject: [Tommies] DNA


> Hi Tommies,
> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their DNA. 
> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are firth 
> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common ancestry 
> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we know 
> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check familytreeDNA 
> and go to the surname list Thompson.
> Don Thompson
> _______________________________________________
> Tommies mailing list
> Tommies at wellswooster.com
> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> 



From aete at northnet.org  Mon Jun  4 18:54:02 2007
From: aete at northnet.org (Alyce Elliott)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:54:02 -0400
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
In-Reply-To: <002701c7a6fa$b2b28ff0$667ba8c0@JimsPC>
References: <002701c7a6fa$b2b28ff0$667ba8c0@JimsPC>
Message-ID: <aete$64.19.83.133$.466494eb.c5559.77a.0@accelerator.westelcom.com>

Well, I'll chip in if any of my relatives are interested.   --Alyce

At 06:50 PM 6/4/2007, you wrote:
>I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail to the
>'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to either
>of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest.  However,
>rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the list
>that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
>
>                 1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
>
>                 2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
>
>       These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a relatively
>simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I will
>submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there is
>support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish descendants
>(there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be confirmed
>by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by descendants
>of Miles Thompson.
>
>           Is there any response?
>
>                     Jim Thompson, in Dallas
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <dethom at tds.net>
>To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
>Subject: [Tommies] DNA
>
>
> > Hi Tommies,
> > I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their DNA.
> > David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are firth
> > cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common ancestry
> > is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we know
> > his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check familytreeDNA
> > and go to the surname list Thompson.
> > Don Thompson
> > _______________________________________________
> > Tommies mailing list
> > Tommies at wellswooster.com
> > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> >
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Tommies mailing list
>Tommies at wellswooster.com
>http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies


From dethom at tds.net  Mon Jun  4 20:36:55 2007
From: dethom at tds.net (dethom at tds.net)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:36:55 -0500
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
Message-ID: <20070604193655.3JY0Y.469554.root@webfep11>

My DNA matches 34 out of 37 markers with david Brent Thompson. This proves that ou common ancestor William  Thompson is our common ancester and now we know his DNA. I know if no way that proves  e was the son of David unless  sons went back ta far and matched. Iwould to see more Tommies submi their DNA.

Don Thompson
30 Locust Trail #20745
Jasper, GA 30143-7915

770-893-1881
dethom at tds.net

---- James Thompson <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net> wrote: 
> I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail to the 
> 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to either 
> of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest.  However, 
> rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the list 
> that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
> 
>                 1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
> 
>                 2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
> 
>       These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a relatively 
> simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I will 
> submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there is 
> support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish descendants 
> (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be confirmed 
> by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by descendants 
> of Miles Thompson.
> 
>           Is there any response?
> 
>                     Jim Thompson, in Dallas
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <dethom at tds.net>
> To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
> Subject: [Tommies] DNA
> 
> 
> > Hi Tommies,
> > I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their DNA. 
> > David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are firth 
> > cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common ancestry 
> > is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we know 
> > his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check familytreeDNA 
> > and go to the surname list Thompson.
> > Don Thompson
> > _______________________________________________
> > Tommies mailing list
> > Tommies at wellswooster.com
> > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Tommies mailing list
> Tommies at wellswooster.com
> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies


From nancythomson at earthlink.net  Mon Jun  4 18:54:11 2007
From: nancythomson at earthlink.net (Nancy Thomson)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 15:54:11 -0700
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
In-Reply-To: <002701c7a6fa$b2b28ff0$667ba8c0@JimsPC>
Message-ID: <C289E623.1A9%nancythomson@earthlink.net>

Hi Jim,
I'm intrigued. Is the test only for male descendants or can women also
participate?
Nancy Thomson


On 6/4/07 3:50 PM, "James Thompson" <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail to the
> 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to either
> of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest.  However,
> rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the list
> that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
> 
>                 1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
> 
>                 2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
> 
>       These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a relatively
> simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I will
> submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there is
> support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish descendants
> (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be confirmed
> by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by descendants
> of Miles Thompson.
> 
>           Is there any response?
> 
>                     Jim Thompson, in Dallas
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <dethom at tds.net>
> To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
> Subject: [Tommies] DNA
> 
> 
>> Hi Tommies,
>> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their DNA.
>> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are firth
>> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common ancestry
>> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we know
>> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check familytreeDNA
>> and go to the surname list Thompson.
>> Don Thompson
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tommies mailing list
>> Tommies at wellswooster.com
>> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Tommies mailing list
> Tommies at wellswooster.com
> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies



From dethom at tds.net  Tue Jun  5 02:21:00 2007
From: dethom at tds.net (dethom at tds.net)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 1:21:00 -0500
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
In-Reply-To: <C289E623.1A9%nancythomson@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20070605012100.JIS8N.499657.root@webfep14>

Hi Nancy,
We have not been in touch for some time. Women also take the test (mtDNA) but only males have the Y Chromesone thattraces generations of surnames. Chec www.familytreeDNA.org or Sorenson www.smgf.org.

Don
--
Don Thompson
30 Locust Trail #20745
Jasper, GA 30143-7915

770-893-1881
dethom at tds.net

---- Nancy Thomson <nancythomson at earthlink.net> wrote: 
> Hi Jim,
> I'm intrigued. Is the test only for male descendants or can women also
> participate?
> Nancy Thomson
> 
> 
> On 6/4/07 3:50 PM, "James Thompson" <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> > I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail to the
> > 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to either
> > of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest.  However,
> > rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the list
> > that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
> > 
> >                 1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
> > 
> >                 2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
> > 
> >       These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a relatively
> > simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I will
> > submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there is
> > support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish descendants
> > (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be confirmed
> > by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by descendants
> > of Miles Thompson.
> > 
> >           Is there any response?
> > 
> >                     Jim Thompson, in Dallas
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <dethom at tds.net>
> > To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
> > Subject: [Tommies] DNA
> > 
> > 
> >> Hi Tommies,
> >> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their DNA.
> >> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are firth
> >> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common ancestry
> >> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we know
> >> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check familytreeDNA
> >> and go to the surname list Thompson.
> >> Don Thompson
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Tommies mailing list
> >> Tommies at wellswooster.com
> >> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Tommies mailing list
> > Tommies at wellswooster.com
> > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Tommies mailing list
> Tommies at wellswooster.com
> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies


From quintinth at aol.com  Tue Jun  5 11:04:36 2007
From: quintinth at aol.com (quintinth at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:04:36 -0400
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
In-Reply-To: <aete$64.19.83.133$.466494eb.c5559.77a.0@accelerator.westelcom.com>
References: <002701c7a6fa$b2b28ff0$667ba8c0@JimsPC>
	<aete$64.19.83.133$.466494eb.c5559.77a.0@accelerator.westelcom.com>
Message-ID: <8C97599F73CD273-1340-DAD@WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com>

Hi, "A lack of interest' would be my catagory. Quintin Thompson


-----Original Message-----
From: Alyce Elliott <aete at northnet.org>
Bcc: quintinth at aol.com
Sent: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 6:54 pm
Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA






Well, I'll chip in if any of my relatives are interested.   --Alyce

At 06:50 PM 6/4/2007, you wrote:
>I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail 
to the
>'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to 
either
>of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest.  
However,
>rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the 
list
>that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
>
>                 1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
>
>                 2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
>
>       These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a 
relatively
>simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I 
will
>submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there 
is
>support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish 
descendants
>(there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be 
confirmed
>by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by 
descendants
>of Miles Thompson.
>
>           Is there any response?
>
>                     Jim Thompson, in Dallas
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <dethom at tds.net>
>To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
>Subject: [Tommies] DNA
>
>
> > Hi Tommies,
> > I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing 
their DNA.
> > David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are 
firth
> > cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common 
ancestry
> > is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we 
know
> > his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check 
familytreeDNA
> > and go to the surname list Thompson.
> > Don Thompson
> > _______________________________________________
> > Tommies mailing list
> > Tommies at wellswooster.com
> > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> >
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Tommies mailing list
>Tommies at wellswooster.com
>http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies

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From maaisha at aol.com  Tue Jun  5 12:23:30 2007
From: maaisha at aol.com (MaAisha)
Date: Tue,  5 Jun 2007 12:23:30 -0400
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
In-Reply-To: <8C97599F73CD273-1340-DAD@WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com>
References: <002701c7a6fa$b2b28ff0$667ba8c0@JimsPC>,
	<aete$64.19.83.133$.466494eb.c5559.77a.0@accelerator.westelcom.com>,
	<8C97599F73CD273-1340-DAD@WEBMAIL-RA05.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <da9c4ffb.2fdd.4236.a9d3.4d92043ef24d@aol.com>

I'm interested, but don't have a direct male line.  I would like to see those questions resolved.
Lois



In a message dated 06/05/07 11:05:39 Eastern Daylight Time, quintinth writes:
Hi, "A lack of interest' would be my catagory. Quintin Thompson 


-----Original Message----- 
From: Alyce Elliott <aete at northnet.org> 
Bcc: quintinth at aol.com 
Sent: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 6:54 pm 
Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA 






Well, I'll chip in if any of my relatives are interested.   --Alyce 

At 06:50 PM 6/4/2007, you wrote: 
>I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail 
to the 
>'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to 
either 
>of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest.   
However, 
>rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the 
list 
>that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are: 
> 
>                 1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson? 
> 
>                 2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson? 
> 
>       These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a 
relatively 
>simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I 
will 
>submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there 
is 
>support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish 
descendants 
>(there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be 
confirmed 
>by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by 
descendants 
>of Miles Thompson. 
> 
>           Is there any response? 
> 
>                     Jim Thompson, in Dallas 
> 
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: <dethom at tds.net> 
>To: <tommies at wellswooster.com> 
>Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM 
>Subject: [Tommies] DNA 
> 
> 
> > Hi Tommies, 
> > I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing 
their DNA. 
> > David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are 
firth 
> > cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common 
ancestry 
> > is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we 
know 
> > his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check 
familytreeDNA 
> > and go to the surname list Thompson. 
> > Don Thompson 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > Tommies mailing list 
> > Tommies at wellswooster.com 
> > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies 
> > 
> 
> 
>_______________________________________________ 
>Tommies mailing list 
>Tommies at wellswooster.com 
>http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies 

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From morrisb at libcoop.net  Tue Jun  5 20:35:15 2007
From: morrisb at libcoop.net (morrisb)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:35:15 -0400
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
References: <002701c7a6fa$b2b28ff0$667ba8c0@JimsPC>
Message-ID: <000301c7a7d8$b64506a0$6b01a8c0@computer>

Dear Jim -- and all the Tommies,
  How nice to have this exchange that seems to be drawing some of us Tommies
out of the woodwork!
  I would like to see a DNA study done that might show that those of us who
descend from John also descend from David.  I hadn't realized that there
were known Scottish descendants of David whose DNA would be helpful to us.
  My own last male Thompson was Micah (Benoni, Samuel,  John, John, John,
David) who died in 1872.  I  have never attempted to trace his male
descendants who might be useful for DNA purposes.  So I have no DNA to
contribute.  But I am willing to chip in if that would help.  I would love
to find information to lend weight to our belief that David was the father
of our John.

Betty Lou Morris
Mount Clemens, MI


From dethom at tds.net  Mon Jun  4 20:36:52 2007
From: dethom at tds.net (dethom at tds.net)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:36:52 -0500
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
In-Reply-To: <002701c7a6fa$b2b28ff0$667ba8c0@JimsPC>
Message-ID: <20070604193652.F1BEY.469552.root@webfep11>

My DNA matches 34 out of 37 markers with david Brent Thompson. This proves that ou common ancestor William  Thompson is our common ancester and now we know his DNA. I know if no way that proves  e was the son of David unless  sons went back ta far and matched. Iwould to see more Tommies submi their DNA.

Don Thompson
30 Locust Trail #20745
Jasper, GA 30143-7915

770-893-1881
dethom at tds.net

---- James Thompson <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net> wrote: 
> I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail to the 
> 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to either 
> of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest.  However, 
> rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the list 
> that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
> 
>                 1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
> 
>                 2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
> 
>       These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a relatively 
> simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I will 
> submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there is 
> support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish descendants 
> (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be confirmed 
> by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by descendants 
> of Miles Thompson.
> 
>           Is there any response?
> 
>                     Jim Thompson, in Dallas
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <dethom at tds.net>
> To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
> Subject: [Tommies] DNA
> 
> 
> > Hi Tommies,
> > I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their DNA. 
> > David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are firth 
> > cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common ancestry 
> > is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we know 
> > his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check familytreeDNA 
> > and go to the surname list Thompson.
> > Don Thompson
> > _______________________________________________
> > Tommies mailing list
> > Tommies at wellswooster.com
> > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Tommies mailing list
> Tommies at wellswooster.com
> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies


From gcfraser at peoplepc.com  Mon Jun  4 21:10:27 2007
From: gcfraser at peoplepc.com (gcfraser at peoplepc.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:10:27 -0400
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
References: <002701c7a6fa$b2b28ff0$667ba8c0@JimsPC>
Message-ID: <001301c7a70e$4e525db0$0b00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1>

Miles might be related to David.  John was his eldest.

What is William Thomson's line of descent?  Where was he born?

By the way, here's another tidbit!!  William Crowne (considered to a founder 
of Mendon) and John Thomson Sr. did not get along.  David Thomson's letter 
to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship to him. 
William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas Howard, 
the Earl and got his start through him.  When Thomas was in trouble with the 
authorities, William Crowne betrayed him.  That might be at the base of 
John's distrust of him.

Genevieve
PS  I have a distant cousin, David Thomson, around somewhere but his mother 
must have died, I cannot contact her to get her son to have the DNA test.

PSS I was at the Getty Museum library in CA and found a book which details 
the issue of William Crowne (later of Mendon).  The famous painting of 
Thomas Howard by Van Dyke is at the Getty.  There are also markings/symbols 
in the painting that look somewhat Masonic.  According to his bio, Thomas 
Howard became head of the Masons in 1632 in London.  He also sponsored the 
builders and sculptors and was chair of the London building committee after 
the fire that burnt the Banquet -hall.  David'd letter begins by talking 
about marble samples he sent the Earl.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Thompson" <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net>
To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:50 PM
Subject: [Tommies] Fw: DNA


>I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail to 
>the
> 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to 
> either
> of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest. 
> However,
> rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the 
> list
> that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
>
>                1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
>
>                2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
>
>      These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a 
> relatively
> simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I will
> submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there is
> support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish 
> descendants
> (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be 
> confirmed
> by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by descendants
> of Miles Thompson.
>
>          Is there any response?
>
>                    Jim Thompson, in Dallas
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <dethom at tds.net>
> To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
> Subject: [Tommies] DNA
>
>
>> Hi Tommies,
>> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their DNA.
>> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are firth
>> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common ancestry
>> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we know
>> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check familytreeDNA
>> and go to the surname list Thompson.
>> Don Thompson
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tommies mailing list
>> Tommies at wellswooster.com
>> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tommies mailing list
> Tommies at wellswooster.com
> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies 


From jsavidge at pacbell.net  Wed Jun  6 09:42:22 2007
From: jsavidge at pacbell.net (Jack Savidge)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 06:42:22 -0700
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
In-Reply-To: <001301c7a70e$4e525db0$0b00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1>
References: <002701c7a6fa$b2b28ff0$667ba8c0@JimsPC>
	<001301c7a70e$4e525db0$0b00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1>
Message-ID: <003701c7a840$847a7660$8d6f6320$@net>

And I thought this forum was not active - wonderful to be able to discuss
David & John Thomson.

Question #1- Has the wife of John Thomson, son of David, been uncovered or
validated. A David Thomson book, "The First Yankee" infers that she was
Sarah Trevore, daughter of Mayflower seaman William Travore (Travour)?

Question #2 - Philbrick's book, Mayflower, makes much of Squanto sauntering
into Plymouth speaking near perfect English. Sir Gorges memoirs note he
assigned the task to teach Squanto English to "his servant" who it could be
surmised was David T. Why have not the historians come forward to place
credit for Squanto's  life sustaining actions to the Pilgrims where it may
belong?

Hope we can keep this up. I too stem from John to John to John ....

Thanks all,


Jack Savidge




-----Original Message-----
From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com
[mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com] On Behalf Of gcfraser at peoplepc.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:10 PM
To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
andresearchers.
Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA

Miles might be related to David.  John was his eldest.

What is William Thomson's line of descent?  Where was he born?

By the way, here's another tidbit!!  William Crowne (considered to a founder

of Mendon) and John Thomson Sr. did not get along.  David Thomson's letter 
to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship to him. 
William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas Howard,

the Earl and got his start through him.  When Thomas was in trouble with the

authorities, William Crowne betrayed him.  That might be at the base of 
John's distrust of him.

Genevieve
PS  I have a distant cousin, David Thomson, around somewhere but his mother 
must have died, I cannot contact her to get her son to have the DNA test.

PSS I was at the Getty Museum library in CA and found a book which details 
the issue of William Crowne (later of Mendon).  The famous painting of 
Thomas Howard by Van Dyke is at the Getty.  There are also markings/symbols 
in the painting that look somewhat Masonic.  According to his bio, Thomas 
Howard became head of the Masons in 1632 in London.  He also sponsored the 
builders and sculptors and was chair of the London building committee after 
the fire that burnt the Banquet -hall.  David'd letter begins by talking 
about marble samples he sent the Earl.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Thompson" <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net>
To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:50 PM
Subject: [Tommies] Fw: DNA


>I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail to 
>the
> 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to 
> either
> of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest. 
> However,
> rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the 
> list
> that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
>
>                1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
>
>                2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
>
>      These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a 
> relatively
> simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I will
> submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there is
> support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish 
> descendants
> (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be 
> confirmed
> by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by descendants
> of Miles Thompson.
>
>          Is there any response?
>
>                    Jim Thompson, in Dallas
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <dethom at tds.net>
> To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
> Subject: [Tommies] DNA
>
>
>> Hi Tommies,
>> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their DNA.
>> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are firth
>> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common ancestry
>> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we know
>> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check familytreeDNA
>> and go to the surname list Thompson.
>> Don Thompson
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tommies mailing list
>> Tommies at wellswooster.com
>> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tommies mailing list
> Tommies at wellswooster.com
> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies 

_______________________________________________
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From dethom at tds.net  Wed Jun  6 09:48:10 2007
From: dethom at tds.net (dethom at tds.net)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 8:48:10 -0500
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
In-Reply-To: <001301c7a70e$4e525db0$0b00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1>
Message-ID: <20070606084810.3MZZR.342867.root@webfep12>

Descendants of Wm. Thompson
William Thompson b: 1742 Uxbridge, MA  M; Lydia Dyer
William b: Northbridge, MA  1776-1864	Benjamin,  b: Alstead, NH 1774-1857
Aaron b: , , NH 1807-1883 	Benjamin b: Gilsum. NH 1802-1850
David b: St. Lawrence, NY  1838-1889	Osman b: Gilsum, NH 1839-1920
Frank b: Richland, WI 1873-1958	Charles b: Mason City, IA 1869-1941
Frederick b: Richland, WI 1900-1955	Lester b: Mason City, IA 1894-1970
William b: Richland, WI 1920-1997	Donald b: Rapid City, SD 1924
David Brent b: Richland, WI 1946	
	

--
Don Thompson
30 Locust Trail #20745
Jasper, GA 30143-7915

770-893-1881
dethom at tds.net

---- gcfraser at peoplepc.com wrote: 
> Miles might be related to David.  John was his eldest.
> 
> What is William Thomson's line of descent?  Where was he born?
> 
> By the way, here's another tidbit!!  William Crowne (considered to a founder 
> of Mendon) and John Thomson Sr. did not get along.  David Thomson's letter 
> to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship to him. 
> William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas Howard, 
> the Earl and got his start through him.  When Thomas was in trouble with the 
> authorities, William Crowne betrayed him.  That might be at the base of 
> John's distrust of him.
> 
> Genevieve
> PS  I have a distant cousin, David Thomson, around somewhere but his mother 
> must have died, I cannot contact her to get her son to have the DNA test.
> 
> PSS I was at the Getty Museum library in CA and found a book which details 
> the issue of William Crowne (later of Mendon).  The famous painting of 
> Thomas Howard by Van Dyke is at the Getty.  There are also markings/symbols 
> in the painting that look somewhat Masonic.  According to his bio, Thomas 
> Howard became head of the Masons in 1632 in London.  He also sponsored the 
> builders and sculptors and was chair of the London building committee after 
> the fire that burnt the Banquet -hall.  David'd letter begins by talking 
> about marble samples he sent the Earl.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Thompson" <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:50 PM
> Subject: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
> 
> 
> >I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail to 
> >the
> > 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to 
> > either
> > of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest. 
> > However,
> > rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the 
> > list
> > that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
> >
> >                1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
> >
> >                2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
> >
> >      These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a 
> > relatively
> > simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I will
> > submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there is
> > support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish 
> > descendants
> > (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be 
> > confirmed
> > by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by descendants
> > of Miles Thompson.
> >
> >          Is there any response?
> >
> >                    Jim Thompson, in Dallas
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <dethom at tds.net>
> > To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
> > Subject: [Tommies] DNA
> >
> >
> >> Hi Tommies,
> >> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their DNA.
> >> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are firth
> >> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common ancestry
> >> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we know
> >> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check familytreeDNA
> >> and go to the surname list Thompson.
> >> Don Thompson
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Tommies mailing list
> >> Tommies at wellswooster.com
> >> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Tommies mailing list
> > Tommies at wellswooster.com
> > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Tommies mailing list
> Tommies at wellswooster.com
> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies


From gcfraser at peoplepc.com  Wed Jun  6 10:31:32 2007
From: gcfraser at peoplepc.com (gcfraser at peoplepc.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:31:32 -0400
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
References: <002701c7a6fa$b2b28ff0$667ba8c0@JimsPC><001301c7a70e$4e525db0$0b00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1>
	<003701c7a840$847a7660$8d6f6320$@net>
Message-ID: <000601c7a847$61b2a330$0b00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1>

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never uncovered any primary 
source document anywhere (America, Scotland, England) that indicates that 
Mr. David Thomson, Gent. - a Scotsman by all accounts- was ever a servant of 
Sir Ferdinando Gorges.  Everything written on that account is speculation. 
Sir Ferdinando was invited to speak before Parliament - to answer charges 
that he was engaging in monopolistic practices.  David spoke before the 
Privy Council (the King's top Lords) and was assigned tasks by them on 
behalf of the King.  In that sense, he was a servant of the Privy Council or 
it could be argued of King James.

David worked with Sir Ferdinando - as the records indicate - in securing the 
business of the Council for New England but that is the only linkage I have 
found.  In his letter to the Earl of Arundel, David recommends Mason as a 
governor but there is no indication that he worked for him either.  If David 
worked for anyone it was the Earl of Arundel - or he might simply have been 
helping him out in terms of accessing resources, such as marble or giving 
him an account of the Council's investments.  He also performed legal and 
managerial functions for the Council.  They refer to him as acting on their 
behalf as their attorney and as governor for the Massachusetts.  The people 
who signed this document were the King's cousin, Lennox - Arundel and the 
Marquis Hamilton, also a Scotsman.  In that sense, David was a servant of 
the Council - but strictly as a professional.

I also believe that Sarah is a Trevour based on a marriage document I 
unearthed from London.  But the writing is very difficult with odd letter 
formations.  As the First Yankee affirms - when John needed to find Captain 
William Trevour as a witness, he had no problem.  So he knew of his 
whereabouts.

David was "conversant" with the natives, but he was a wealthy merchant in 
Plymouth and would have known Gorges and the Indians that lived there.

The weight of evidence still points to David Thomson as David of 
Corstorphine, Scotland.  His stepmother, Agnes Fouls' niece was married to 
the King's lawyer, Thomas Hamilton who was the Sec'y of State of Scotland at 
the time of David's grants.  David Thomson's step-brother was Adam Hepburn, 
clerk to the Sec'y of State and later a Senator in Scotland.  It is said 
that King James ruled Scotland by the pen - he gave direct orders to 
Hamilton who basically ran Scotland in James' absence while serving as King 
of England.  (He was the de-facto King.) The Foulis family and their 
relatives lent money and the Crown Jewels to the King.  The Queen was in 
debt to them up to her eyebrows.  David Thomson was a part of that family! 
Yes, he was treated with favor.

James died in 1625 as did Lennox and a few other lynchpins.  Arundel was 
sent to the tower - that's why he didn't answer David right away.  Poison 
may have been involved in a few of the deaths - possibly even the King - 
according to his physician.  At that point there was a reversal of fortune 
and the rest is history as they say.

I have two books that I need to get out ASAP and then I start on a book 
about David.  Possible title:  Searching for David (died about 1628)

Genevieve


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Savidge" <jsavidge at pacbell.net>
To: "'Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendantsand 
researchers.'" <tommies at wellswooster.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA


> And I thought this forum was not active - wonderful to be able to discuss
> David & John Thomson.
>
> Question #1- Has the wife of John Thomson, son of David, been uncovered or
> validated. A David Thomson book, "The First Yankee" infers that she was
> Sarah Trevore, daughter of Mayflower seaman William Travore (Travour)?
>
> Question #2 - Philbrick's book, Mayflower, makes much of Squanto 
> sauntering
> into Plymouth speaking near perfect English. Sir Gorges memoirs note he
> assigned the task to teach Squanto English to "his servant" who it could 
> be
> surmised was David T. Why have not the historians come forward to place
> credit for Squanto's  life sustaining actions to the Pilgrims where it may
> belong?
>
> Hope we can keep this up. I too stem from John to John to John ....
>
> Thanks all,
>
>
> Jack Savidge
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com
> [mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com] On Behalf Of 
> gcfraser at peoplepc.com
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:10 PM
> To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
> andresearchers.
> Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>
> Miles might be related to David.  John was his eldest.
>
> What is William Thomson's line of descent?  Where was he born?
>
> By the way, here's another tidbit!!  William Crowne (considered to a 
> founder
>
> of Mendon) and John Thomson Sr. did not get along.  David Thomson's letter
> to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship to 
> him.
> William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas 
> Howard,
>
> the Earl and got his start through him.  When Thomas was in trouble with 
> the
>
> authorities, William Crowne betrayed him.  That might be at the base of
> John's distrust of him.
>
> Genevieve
> PS  I have a distant cousin, David Thomson, around somewhere but his 
> mother
> must have died, I cannot contact her to get her son to have the DNA test.
>
> PSS I was at the Getty Museum library in CA and found a book which details
> the issue of William Crowne (later of Mendon).  The famous painting of
> Thomas Howard by Van Dyke is at the Getty.  There are also 
> markings/symbols
> in the painting that look somewhat Masonic.  According to his bio, Thomas
> Howard became head of the Masons in 1632 in London.  He also sponsored the
> builders and sculptors and was chair of the London building committee 
> after
> the fire that burnt the Banquet -hall.  David'd letter begins by talking
> about marble samples he sent the Earl.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Thompson" <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:50 PM
> Subject: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>
>
>>I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail to
>>the
>> 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to
>> either
>> of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest.
>> However,
>> rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the
>> list
>> that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
>>
>>                1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
>>
>>                2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
>>
>>      These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a
>> relatively
>> simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I will
>> submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there is
>> support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish
>> descendants
>> (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be
>> confirmed
>> by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by 
>> descendants
>> of Miles Thompson.
>>
>>          Is there any response?
>>
>>                    Jim Thompson, in Dallas
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <dethom at tds.net>
>> To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
>> Subject: [Tommies] DNA
>>
>>
>>> Hi Tommies,
>>> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their 
>>> DNA.
>>> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are firth
>>> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common 
>>> ancestry
>>> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we know
>>> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check 
>>> familytreeDNA
>>> and go to the surname list Thompson.
>>> Don Thompson
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Tommies mailing list
>>> Tommies at wellswooster.com
>>> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tommies mailing list
>> Tommies at wellswooster.com
>> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tommies mailing list
> Tommies at wellswooster.com
> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>
> _______________________________________________
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> 


From dethom at tds.net  Wed Jun  6 10:48:15 2007
From: dethom at tds.net (dethom at tds.net)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 9:48:15 -0500
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
In-Reply-To: <20070606084810.3MZZR.342867.root@webfep12>
Message-ID: <20070606094815.0KO3E.344852.root@webfep12>

Hi Tommies,
I'm glad to see all the interest in the DNA finally. However what I have been reading leads me to believe most of you do not understand what it can do and what it can not do. Ther are two books I would recommend if you are really interested. "The Seven daughters of Eve" by Bryan Sykes and "Trace Your Roots With DNA" by Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak and Ann Turner. Or investigate three web sites FamilytreeDNA, Thompson Project Home page or the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation at SMGF.org. I have been involved for several years and have purchased the 67 marker on FamiltreeDNA.

I made matches with three other Thompson?s, but have only been able to find a common ancestor with One Person and that was David Brent Thompson who is one of our researchers. We matched on 34 out of 37 markers. Our common ancestor is eight generations back, a William Thompson born in Massachusetts in 1742. This means that my ancestors and David?s back to William all have at least 34 Y chromosomes ours. Although William has been dead 200 years we do know his DNA, but not his fathers or any others of his ancestors. We are still in the pioneering stage and it will take a lot more Tommies submitting their DNA for us to get back to earlier generations.
Don 
--
Don Thompson
30 Locust Trail #20745
Jasper, GA 30143-7915

770-893-1881
dethom at tds.net

---- dethom at tds.net wrote: 
> Descendants of Wm. Thompson
> William Thompson b: 1742 Uxbridge, MA  M; Lydia Dyer
> William b: Northbridge, MA  1776-1864	Benjamin,  b: Alstead, NH 1774-1857
> Aaron b: , , NH 1807-1883 	Benjamin b: Gilsum. NH 1802-1850
> David b: St. Lawrence, NY  1838-1889	Osman b: Gilsum, NH 1839-1920
> Frank b: Richland, WI 1873-1958	Charles b: Mason City, IA 1869-1941
> Frederick b: Richland, WI 1900-1955	Lester b: Mason City, IA 1894-1970
> William b: Richland, WI 1920-1997	Donald b: Rapid City, SD 1924
> David Brent b: Richland, WI 1946	
> 	
> 
> --
> Don Thompson
> 30 Locust Trail #20745
> Jasper, GA 30143-7915
> 
> 770-893-1881
> dethom at tds.net
> 
> ---- gcfraser at peoplepc.com wrote: 
> > Miles might be related to David.  John was his eldest.
> > 
> > What is William Thomson's line of descent?  Where was he born?
> > 
> > By the way, here's another tidbit!!  William Crowne (considered to a founder 
> > of Mendon) and John Thomson Sr. did not get along.  David Thomson's letter 
> > to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship to him. 
> > William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas Howard, 
> > the Earl and got his start through him.  When Thomas was in trouble with the 
> > authorities, William Crowne betrayed him.  That might be at the base of 
> > John's distrust of him.
> > 
> > Genevieve
> > PS  I have a distant cousin, David Thomson, around somewhere but his mother 
> > must have died, I cannot contact her to get her son to have the DNA test.
> > 
> > PSS I was at the Getty Museum library in CA and found a book which details 
> > the issue of William Crowne (later of Mendon).  The famous painting of 
> > Thomas Howard by Van Dyke is at the Getty.  There are also markings/symbols 
> > in the painting that look somewhat Masonic.  According to his bio, Thomas 
> > Howard became head of the Masons in 1632 in London.  He also sponsored the 
> > builders and sculptors and was chair of the London building committee after 
> > the fire that burnt the Banquet -hall.  David'd letter begins by talking 
> > about marble samples he sent the Earl.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "James Thompson" <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:50 PM
> > Subject: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
> > 
> > 
> > >I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail to 
> > >the
> > > 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to 
> > > either
> > > of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest. 
> > > However,
> > > rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the 
> > > list
> > > that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
> > >
> > >                1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
> > >
> > >                2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
> > >
> > >      These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a 
> > > relatively
> > > simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I will
> > > submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there is
> > > support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish 
> > > descendants
> > > (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be 
> > > confirmed
> > > by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by descendants
> > > of Miles Thompson.
> > >
> > >          Is there any response?
> > >
> > >                    Jim Thompson, in Dallas
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: <dethom at tds.net>
> > > To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
> > > Subject: [Tommies] DNA
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hi Tommies,
> > >> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their DNA.
> > >> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are firth
> > >> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common ancestry
> > >> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we know
> > >> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check familytreeDNA
> > >> and go to the surname list Thompson.
> > >> Don Thompson
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Tommies mailing list
> > >> Tommies at wellswooster.com
> > >> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Tommies mailing list
> > > Tommies at wellswooster.com
> > > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Tommies at wellswooster.com
> > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> 
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From gcfraser at peoplepc.com  Wed Jun  6 10:59:03 2007
From: gcfraser at peoplepc.com (gcfraser at peoplepc.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:59:03 -0400
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
References: <002701c7a6fa$b2b28ff0$667ba8c0@JimsPC><001301c7a70e$4e525db0$0b00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1><003701c7a840$847a7660$8d6f6320$@net>
	<000601c7a847$61b2a330$0b00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1>
Message-ID: <002301c7a84b$39505cd0$0b00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1>

PS.

In addition,  David Thomson's step mother, Agnes Foulis' nephew was the 
Scottish Ambassador (David Foulis, later the Baron Ingleby) to the English 
Court when Elizabeth was alive and helped transition King James to the 
Scottish throne.  David Foulis later worked for Prince Henry - in charge of 
his finances - Sir William Alexander, later the Earl of Sterling was his 
tutor.  Sir William became the Sec'y of Scotland under King Charles I.  He 
later wrote to Winthrop wondering if Amias and Samuel Maverick were 
squandering John Thomson's inheritance - money that David had worked so hard 
for...

1607, a year after his father's death, David Thomson joined with his step 
mother in a lawsuit.  The Earl of Home spoke on their behalf.  That same 
year, David inherited much of his father's fortune.  David attended the 
University of Edinburgh in 1602 as a Philosophy major.  Typical age would 
have been about 14 to enter college - especially with his learned father as 
his private tutor.  Following his father's death, Agnes Foulis (widow of 
Rev. Adam Hepburn) was busy returning books she had borrowed according to 
parish records. (David's father collected teinds from that parish - his 
patrons were the Maitlands - prominent under Mary, Queen of Scots) And 
remember, Thomas Morton in the New English Canaan refers to David as a 
scholar.  (Philosophy majors also studied the natural sciences.)

Genevieve


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <gcfraser at peoplepc.com>
To: <jsavidge at pacbell.net>; "Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE 
descendantsandresearchers." <tommies at wellswooster.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA


> Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never uncovered any primary
> source document anywhere (America, Scotland, England) that indicates that
> Mr. David Thomson, Gent. - a Scotsman by all accounts- was ever a servant 
> of
> Sir Ferdinando Gorges.  Everything written on that account is speculation.
> Sir Ferdinando was invited to speak before Parliament - to answer charges
> that he was engaging in monopolistic practices.  David spoke before the
> Privy Council (the King's top Lords) and was assigned tasks by them on
> behalf of the King.  In that sense, he was a servant of the Privy Council 
> or
> it could be argued of King James.
>
> David worked with Sir Ferdinando - as the records indicate - in securing 
> the
> business of the Council for New England but that is the only linkage I 
> have
> found.  In his letter to the Earl of Arundel, David recommends Mason as a
> governor but there is no indication that he worked for him either.  If 
> David
> worked for anyone it was the Earl of Arundel - or he might simply have 
> been
> helping him out in terms of accessing resources, such as marble or giving
> him an account of the Council's investments.  He also performed legal and
> managerial functions for the Council.  They refer to him as acting on 
> their
> behalf as their attorney and as governor for the Massachusetts.  The 
> people
> who signed this document were the King's cousin, Lennox - Arundel and the
> Marquis Hamilton, also a Scotsman.  In that sense, David was a servant of
> the Council - but strictly as a professional.
>
> I also believe that Sarah is a Trevour based on a marriage document I
> unearthed from London.  But the writing is very difficult with odd letter
> formations.  As the First Yankee affirms - when John needed to find 
> Captain
> William Trevour as a witness, he had no problem.  So he knew of his
> whereabouts.
>
> David was "conversant" with the natives, but he was a wealthy merchant in
> Plymouth and would have known Gorges and the Indians that lived there.
>
> The weight of evidence still points to David Thomson as David of
> Corstorphine, Scotland.  His stepmother, Agnes Fouls' niece was married to
> the King's lawyer, Thomas Hamilton who was the Sec'y of State of Scotland 
> at
> the time of David's grants.  David Thomson's step-brother was Adam 
> Hepburn,
> clerk to the Sec'y of State and later a Senator in Scotland.  It is said
> that King James ruled Scotland by the pen - he gave direct orders to
> Hamilton who basically ran Scotland in James' absence while serving as 
> King
> of England.  (He was the de-facto King.) The Foulis family and their
> relatives lent money and the Crown Jewels to the King.  The Queen was in
> debt to them up to her eyebrows.  David Thomson was a part of that family!
> Yes, he was treated with favor.
>
> James died in 1625 as did Lennox and a few other lynchpins.  Arundel was
> sent to the tower - that's why he didn't answer David right away.  Poison
> may have been involved in a few of the deaths - possibly even the King -
> according to his physician.  At that point there was a reversal of fortune
> and the rest is history as they say.
>
> I have two books that I need to get out ASAP and then I start on a book
> about David.  Possible title:  Searching for David (died about 1628)
>
> Genevieve
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jack Savidge" <jsavidge at pacbell.net>
> To: "'Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendantsand
> researchers.'" <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>
>
>> And I thought this forum was not active - wonderful to be able to discuss
>> David & John Thomson.
>>
>> Question #1- Has the wife of John Thomson, son of David, been uncovered 
>> or
>> validated. A David Thomson book, "The First Yankee" infers that she was
>> Sarah Trevore, daughter of Mayflower seaman William Travore (Travour)?
>>
>> Question #2 - Philbrick's book, Mayflower, makes much of Squanto
>> sauntering
>> into Plymouth speaking near perfect English. Sir Gorges memoirs note he
>> assigned the task to teach Squanto English to "his servant" who it could
>> be
>> surmised was David T. Why have not the historians come forward to place
>> credit for Squanto's  life sustaining actions to the Pilgrims where it 
>> may
>> belong?
>>
>> Hope we can keep this up. I too stem from John to John to John ....
>>
>> Thanks all,
>>
>>
>> Jack Savidge
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com
>> [mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com] On Behalf Of
>> gcfraser at peoplepc.com
>> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:10 PM
>> To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
>> andresearchers.
>> Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>>
>> Miles might be related to David.  John was his eldest.
>>
>> What is William Thomson's line of descent?  Where was he born?
>>
>> By the way, here's another tidbit!!  William Crowne (considered to a
>> founder
>>
>> of Mendon) and John Thomson Sr. did not get along.  David Thomson's 
>> letter
>> to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship to
>> him.
>> William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas
>> Howard,
>>
>> the Earl and got his start through him.  When Thomas was in trouble with
>> the
>>
>> authorities, William Crowne betrayed him.  That might be at the base of
>> John's distrust of him.
>>
>> Genevieve
>> PS  I have a distant cousin, David Thomson, around somewhere but his
>> mother
>> must have died, I cannot contact her to get her son to have the DNA test.
>>
>> PSS I was at the Getty Museum library in CA and found a book which 
>> details
>> the issue of William Crowne (later of Mendon).  The famous painting of
>> Thomas Howard by Van Dyke is at the Getty.  There are also
>> markings/symbols
>> in the painting that look somewhat Masonic.  According to his bio, Thomas
>> Howard became head of the Masons in 1632 in London.  He also sponsored 
>> the
>> builders and sculptors and was chair of the London building committee
>> after
>> the fire that burnt the Banquet -hall.  David'd letter begins by talking
>> about marble samples he sent the Earl.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "James Thompson" <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:50 PM
>> Subject: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>>
>>
>>>I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail to
>>>the
>>> 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to
>>> either
>>> of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest.
>>> However,
>>> rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the
>>> list
>>> that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
>>>
>>>                1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
>>>
>>>                2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
>>>
>>>      These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a
>>> relatively
>>> simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I will
>>> submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there 
>>> is
>>> support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish
>>> descendants
>>> (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be
>>> confirmed
>>> by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by
>>> descendants
>>> of Miles Thompson.
>>>
>>>          Is there any response?
>>>
>>>                    Jim Thompson, in Dallas
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: <dethom at tds.net>
>>> To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
>>> Subject: [Tommies] DNA
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Tommies,
>>>> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their
>>>> DNA.
>>>> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are 
>>>> firth
>>>> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common
>>>> ancestry
>>>> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we 
>>>> know
>>>> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check
>>>> familytreeDNA
>>>> and go to the surname list Thompson.
>>>> Don Thompson
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Tommies mailing list
>>>> Tommies at wellswooster.com
>>>> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Tommies mailing list
>>> Tommies at wellswooster.com
>>> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tommies mailing list
>> Tommies at wellswooster.com
>> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Tommies at wellswooster.com
>> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>>
>
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From aete at northnet.org  Wed Jun  6 11:16:59 2007
From: aete at northnet.org (Alyce Elliott)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:16:59 -0400
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
In-Reply-To: <000601c7a847$61b2a330$0b00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1>
References: <002701c7a6fa$b2b28ff0$667ba8c0@JimsPC>
	<001301c7a70e$4e525db0$0b00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1>
	<003701c7a840$847a7660$8d6f6320$@net>
	<000601c7a847$61b2a330$0b00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1>
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Do you have any book completed to date, Gen, or will the two you 
refer to be the first?  Are they Thompson related or another branch 
of research?  Please keep the list posted.  I am very interested in 
securing copies of any Thompson book.  I know the diligent research 
and travel you've been committed to since I've had contact with you 
via this list; most impressive!

Regards,
Alyce Thompson Elliott

At 10:31 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
>Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never uncovered any primary
>source document anywhere (America, Scotland, England) that indicates that
>Mr. David Thomson, Gent. - a Scotsman by all accounts- was ever a servant of
>Sir Ferdinando Gorges.  Everything written on that account is speculation.
>Sir Ferdinando was invited to speak before Parliament - to answer charges
>that he was engaging in monopolistic practices.  David spoke before the
>Privy Council (the King's top Lords) and was assigned tasks by them on
>behalf of the King.  In that sense, he was a servant of the Privy Council or
>it could be argued of King James.
>
>David worked with Sir Ferdinando - as the records indicate - in securing the
>business of the Council for New England but that is the only linkage I have
>found.  In his letter to the Earl of Arundel, David recommends Mason as a
>governor but there is no indication that he worked for him either.  If David
>worked for anyone it was the Earl of Arundel - or he might simply have been
>helping him out in terms of accessing resources, such as marble or giving
>him an account of the Council's investments.  He also performed legal and
>managerial functions for the Council.  They refer to him as acting on their
>behalf as their attorney and as governor for the Massachusetts.  The people
>who signed this document were the King's cousin, Lennox - Arundel and the
>Marquis Hamilton, also a Scotsman.  In that sense, David was a servant of
>the Council - but strictly as a professional.
>
>I also believe that Sarah is a Trevour based on a marriage document I
>unearthed from London.  But the writing is very difficult with odd letter
>formations.  As the First Yankee affirms - when John needed to find Captain
>William Trevour as a witness, he had no problem.  So he knew of his
>whereabouts.
>
>David was "conversant" with the natives, but he was a wealthy merchant in
>Plymouth and would have known Gorges and the Indians that lived there.
>
>The weight of evidence still points to David Thomson as David of
>Corstorphine, Scotland.  His stepmother, Agnes Fouls' niece was married to
>the King's lawyer, Thomas Hamilton who was the Sec'y of State of Scotland at
>the time of David's grants.  David Thomson's step-brother was Adam Hepburn,
>clerk to the Sec'y of State and later a Senator in Scotland.  It is said
>that King James ruled Scotland by the pen - he gave direct orders to
>Hamilton who basically ran Scotland in James' absence while serving as King
>of England.  (He was the de-facto King.) The Foulis family and their
>relatives lent money and the Crown Jewels to the King.  The Queen was in
>debt to them up to her eyebrows.  David Thomson was a part of that family!
>Yes, he was treated with favor.
>
>James died in 1625 as did Lennox and a few other lynchpins.  Arundel was
>sent to the tower - that's why he didn't answer David right away.  Poison
>may have been involved in a few of the deaths - possibly even the King -
>according to his physician.  At that point there was a reversal of fortune
>and the rest is history as they say.
>
>I have two books that I need to get out ASAP and then I start on a book
>about David.  Possible title:  Searching for David (died about 1628)
>
>Genevieve
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jack Savidge" <jsavidge at pacbell.net>
>To: "'Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendantsand
>researchers.'" <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:42 AM
>Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>
>
> > And I thought this forum was not active - wonderful to be able to discuss
> > David & John Thomson.
> >
> > Question #1- Has the wife of John Thomson, son of David, been uncovered or
> > validated. A David Thomson book, "The First Yankee" infers that she was
> > Sarah Trevore, daughter of Mayflower seaman William Travore (Travour)?
> >
> > Question #2 - Philbrick's book, Mayflower, makes much of Squanto
> > sauntering
> > into Plymouth speaking near perfect English. Sir Gorges memoirs note he
> > assigned the task to teach Squanto English to "his servant" who it could
> > be
> > surmised was David T. Why have not the historians come forward to place
> > credit for Squanto's  life sustaining actions to the Pilgrims where it may
> > belong?
> >
> > Hope we can keep this up. I too stem from John to John to John ....
> >
> > Thanks all,
> >
> >
> > Jack Savidge
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com
> > [mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com] On Behalf Of
> > gcfraser at peoplepc.com
> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:10 PM
> > To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
> > andresearchers.
> > Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
> >
> > Miles might be related to David.  John was his eldest.
> >
> > What is William Thomson's line of descent?  Where was he born?
> >
> > By the way, here's another tidbit!!  William Crowne (considered to a
> > founder
> >
> > of Mendon) and John Thomson Sr. did not get along.  David Thomson's letter
> > to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship to
> > him.
> > William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas
> > Howard,
> >
> > the Earl and got his start through him.  When Thomas was in trouble with
> > the
> >
> > authorities, William Crowne betrayed him.  That might be at the base of
> > John's distrust of him.
> >
> > Genevieve
> > PS  I have a distant cousin, David Thomson, around somewhere but his
> > mother
> > must have died, I cannot contact her to get her son to have the DNA test.
> >
> > PSS I was at the Getty Museum library in CA and found a book which details
> > the issue of William Crowne (later of Mendon).  The famous painting of
> > Thomas Howard by Van Dyke is at the Getty.  There are also
> > markings/symbols
> > in the painting that look somewhat Masonic.  According to his bio, Thomas
> > Howard became head of the Masons in 1632 in London.  He also sponsored the
> > builders and sculptors and was chair of the London building committee
> > after
> > the fire that burnt the Banquet -hall.  David'd letter begins by talking
> > about marble samples he sent the Earl.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Thompson" <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:50 PM
> > Subject: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
> >
> >
> >>I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail to
> >>the
> >> 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to
> >> either
> >> of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest.
> >> However,
> >> rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the
> >> list
> >> that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
> >>
> >>                1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
> >>
> >>                2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
> >>
> >>      These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a
> >> relatively
> >> simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I will
> >> submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there is
> >> support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish
> >> descendants
> >> (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be
> >> confirmed
> >> by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by
> >> descendants
> >> of Miles Thompson.
> >>
> >>          Is there any response?
> >>
> >>                    Jim Thompson, in Dallas
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <dethom at tds.net>
> >> To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
> >> Subject: [Tommies] DNA
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi Tommies,
> >>> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their
> >>> DNA.
> >>> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are firth
> >>> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common
> >>> ancestry
> >>> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we know
> >>> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check
> >>> familytreeDNA
> >>> and go to the surname list Thompson.
> >>> Don Thompson
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Tommies mailing list
> >>> Tommies at wellswooster.com
> >>> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Tommies mailing list
> >> Tommies at wellswooster.com
> >> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Tommies at wellswooster.com
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> >
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> > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> >
>
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From gcfraser at peoplepc.com  Wed Jun  6 14:20:17 2007
From: gcfraser at peoplepc.com (gcfraser at peoplepc.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:20:17 -0400
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
References: <002701c7a6fa$b2b28ff0$667ba8c0@JimsPC><001301c7a70e$4e525db0$0b00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1><003701c7a840$847a7660$8d6f6320$@net><000601c7a847$61b2a330$0b00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1>
	<aete$64.19.88.113$.4666ccc4.9aeec.23ec.0@accelerator.westelcom.com>
Message-ID: <002001c7a867$560674b0$0b00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1>

Much of my research is primary source.  I have had 4 articles published to 
date but had stopped serious work since I began writing the WW II saga, In 
the Claw of the Tiger - hopefully out by September.

Good to hear from you.  I need to visit with my digital camera.  It would be 
good to see you again.  Are you still in Mendon?

Genevieve


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alyce Elliott" <aete at northnet.org>
To: "Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants 
andresearchers." <tommies at wellswooster.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA


> Do you have any book completed to date, Gen, or will the two you
> refer to be the first?  Are they Thompson related or another branch
> of research?  Please keep the list posted.  I am very interested in
> securing copies of any Thompson book.  I know the diligent research
> and travel you've been committed to since I've had contact with you
> via this list; most impressive!
>
> Regards,
> Alyce Thompson Elliott
>
> At 10:31 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
>>Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never uncovered any primary
>>source document anywhere (America, Scotland, England) that indicates that
>>Mr. David Thomson, Gent. - a Scotsman by all accounts- was ever a servant 
>>of
>>Sir Ferdinando Gorges.  Everything written on that account is speculation.
>>Sir Ferdinando was invited to speak before Parliament - to answer charges
>>that he was engaging in monopolistic practices.  David spoke before the
>>Privy Council (the King's top Lords) and was assigned tasks by them on
>>behalf of the King.  In that sense, he was a servant of the Privy Council 
>>or
>>it could be argued of King James.
>>
>>David worked with Sir Ferdinando - as the records indicate - in securing 
>>the
>>business of the Council for New England but that is the only linkage I 
>>have
>>found.  In his letter to the Earl of Arundel, David recommends Mason as a
>>governor but there is no indication that he worked for him either.  If 
>>David
>>worked for anyone it was the Earl of Arundel - or he might simply have 
>>been
>>helping him out in terms of accessing resources, such as marble or giving
>>him an account of the Council's investments.  He also performed legal and
>>managerial functions for the Council.  They refer to him as acting on 
>>their
>>behalf as their attorney and as governor for the Massachusetts.  The 
>>people
>>who signed this document were the King's cousin, Lennox - Arundel and the
>>Marquis Hamilton, also a Scotsman.  In that sense, David was a servant of
>>the Council - but strictly as a professional.
>>
>>I also believe that Sarah is a Trevour based on a marriage document I
>>unearthed from London.  But the writing is very difficult with odd letter
>>formations.  As the First Yankee affirms - when John needed to find 
>>Captain
>>William Trevour as a witness, he had no problem.  So he knew of his
>>whereabouts.
>>
>>David was "conversant" with the natives, but he was a wealthy merchant in
>>Plymouth and would have known Gorges and the Indians that lived there.
>>
>>The weight of evidence still points to David Thomson as David of
>>Corstorphine, Scotland.  His stepmother, Agnes Fouls' niece was married to
>>the King's lawyer, Thomas Hamilton who was the Sec'y of State of Scotland 
>>at
>>the time of David's grants.  David Thomson's step-brother was Adam 
>>Hepburn,
>>clerk to the Sec'y of State and later a Senator in Scotland.  It is said
>>that King James ruled Scotland by the pen - he gave direct orders to
>>Hamilton who basically ran Scotland in James' absence while serving as 
>>King
>>of England.  (He was the de-facto King.) The Foulis family and their
>>relatives lent money and the Crown Jewels to the King.  The Queen was in
>>debt to them up to her eyebrows.  David Thomson was a part of that family!
>>Yes, he was treated with favor.
>>
>>James died in 1625 as did Lennox and a few other lynchpins.  Arundel was
>>sent to the tower - that's why he didn't answer David right away.  Poison
>>may have been involved in a few of the deaths - possibly even the King -
>>according to his physician.  At that point there was a reversal of fortune
>>and the rest is history as they say.
>>
>>I have two books that I need to get out ASAP and then I start on a book
>>about David.  Possible title:  Searching for David (died about 1628)
>>
>>Genevieve
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Jack Savidge" <jsavidge at pacbell.net>
>>To: "'Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendantsand
>>researchers.'" <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:42 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>>
>>
>> > And I thought this forum was not active - wonderful to be able to 
>> > discuss
>> > David & John Thomson.
>> >
>> > Question #1- Has the wife of John Thomson, son of David, been uncovered 
>> > or
>> > validated. A David Thomson book, "The First Yankee" infers that she was
>> > Sarah Trevore, daughter of Mayflower seaman William Travore (Travour)?
>> >
>> > Question #2 - Philbrick's book, Mayflower, makes much of Squanto
>> > sauntering
>> > into Plymouth speaking near perfect English. Sir Gorges memoirs note he
>> > assigned the task to teach Squanto English to "his servant" who it 
>> > could
>> > be
>> > surmised was David T. Why have not the historians come forward to place
>> > credit for Squanto's  life sustaining actions to the Pilgrims where it 
>> > may
>> > belong?
>> >
>> > Hope we can keep this up. I too stem from John to John to John ....
>> >
>> > Thanks all,
>> >
>> >
>> > Jack Savidge
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com
>> > [mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com] On Behalf Of
>> > gcfraser at peoplepc.com
>> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:10 PM
>> > To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
>> > andresearchers.
>> > Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>> >
>> > Miles might be related to David.  John was his eldest.
>> >
>> > What is William Thomson's line of descent?  Where was he born?
>> >
>> > By the way, here's another tidbit!!  William Crowne (considered to a
>> > founder
>> >
>> > of Mendon) and John Thomson Sr. did not get along.  David Thomson's 
>> > letter
>> > to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship to
>> > him.
>> > William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas
>> > Howard,
>> >
>> > the Earl and got his start through him.  When Thomas was in trouble 
>> > with
>> > the
>> >
>> > authorities, William Crowne betrayed him.  That might be at the base of
>> > John's distrust of him.
>> >
>> > Genevieve
>> > PS  I have a distant cousin, David Thomson, around somewhere but his
>> > mother
>> > must have died, I cannot contact her to get her son to have the DNA 
>> > test.
>> >
>> > PSS I was at the Getty Museum library in CA and found a book which 
>> > details
>> > the issue of William Crowne (later of Mendon).  The famous painting of
>> > Thomas Howard by Van Dyke is at the Getty.  There are also
>> > markings/symbols
>> > in the painting that look somewhat Masonic.  According to his bio, 
>> > Thomas
>> > Howard became head of the Masons in 1632 in London.  He also sponsored 
>> > the
>> > builders and sculptors and was chair of the London building committee
>> > after
>> > the fire that burnt the Banquet -hall.  David'd letter begins by 
>> > talking
>> > about marble samples he sent the Earl.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "James Thompson" <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net>
>> > To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:50 PM
>> > Subject: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>> >
>> >
>> >>I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail 
>> >>to
>> >>the
>> >> 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to
>> >> either
>> >> of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest.
>> >> However,
>> >> rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the
>> >> list
>> >> that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
>> >>
>> >>                1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
>> >>
>> >>                2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
>> >>
>> >>      These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a
>> >> relatively
>> >> simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I 
>> >> will
>> >> submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there 
>> >> is
>> >> support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish
>> >> descendants
>> >> (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be
>> >> confirmed
>> >> by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by
>> >> descendants
>> >> of Miles Thompson.
>> >>
>> >>          Is there any response?
>> >>
>> >>                    Jim Thompson, in Dallas
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: <dethom at tds.net>
>> >> To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
>> >> Subject: [Tommies] DNA
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Hi Tommies,
>> >>> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their
>> >>> DNA.
>> >>> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are 
>> >>> firth
>> >>> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common
>> >>> ancestry
>> >>> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we 
>> >>> know
>> >>> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check
>> >>> familytreeDNA
>> >>> and go to the surname list Thompson.
>> >>> Don Thompson
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Tommies mailing list
>> >>> Tommies at wellswooster.com
>> >>> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Tommies mailing list
>> >> Tommies at wellswooster.com
>> >> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Tommies mailing list
>> > Tommies at wellswooster.com
>> > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Tommies mailing list
>> > Tommies at wellswooster.com
>> > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>> >
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>Tommies at wellswooster.com
>>http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>
> _______________________________________________
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> 


From aete at northnet.org  Wed Jun  6 19:53:43 2007
From: aete at northnet.org (Alyce Elliott)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:53:43 -0400
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
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That's Alice Paladini, who I hope to visit sometime, too.  --Alyce Elliott

At 02:20 PM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
>Much of my research is primary source.  I have had 4 articles published to
>date but had stopped serious work since I began writing the WW II saga, In
>the Claw of the Tiger - hopefully out by September.
>
>Good to hear from you.  I need to visit with my digital camera.  It would be
>good to see you again.  Are you still in Mendon?
>
>Genevieve
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Alyce Elliott" <aete at northnet.org>
>To: "Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
>andresearchers." <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:16 AM
>Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>
>
> > Do you have any book completed to date, Gen, or will the two you
> > refer to be the first?  Are they Thompson related or another branch
> > of research?  Please keep the list posted.  I am very interested in
> > securing copies of any Thompson book.  I know the diligent research
> > and travel you've been committed to since I've had contact with you
> > via this list; most impressive!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Alyce Thompson Elliott
> >
> > At 10:31 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
> >>Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never uncovered any primary
> >>source document anywhere (America, Scotland, England) that indicates that
> >>Mr. David Thomson, Gent. - a Scotsman by all accounts- was ever a servant
> >>of
> >>Sir Ferdinando Gorges.  Everything written on that account is speculation.
> >>Sir Ferdinando was invited to speak before Parliament - to answer charges
> >>that he was engaging in monopolistic practices.  David spoke before the
> >>Privy Council (the King's top Lords) and was assigned tasks by them on
> >>behalf of the King.  In that sense, he was a servant of the Privy Council
> >>or
> >>it could be argued of King James.
> >>
> >>David worked with Sir Ferdinando - as the records indicate - in securing
> >>the
> >>business of the Council for New England but that is the only linkage I
> >>have
> >>found.  In his letter to the Earl of Arundel, David recommends Mason as a
> >>governor but there is no indication that he worked for him either.  If
> >>David
> >>worked for anyone it was the Earl of Arundel - or he might simply have
> >>been
> >>helping him out in terms of accessing resources, such as marble or giving
> >>him an account of the Council's investments.  He also performed legal and
> >>managerial functions for the Council.  They refer to him as acting on
> >>their
> >>behalf as their attorney and as governor for the Massachusetts.  The
> >>people
> >>who signed this document were the King's cousin, Lennox - Arundel and the
> >>Marquis Hamilton, also a Scotsman.  In that sense, David was a servant of
> >>the Council - but strictly as a professional.
> >>
> >>I also believe that Sarah is a Trevour based on a marriage document I
> >>unearthed from London.  But the writing is very difficult with odd letter
> >>formations.  As the First Yankee affirms - when John needed to find
> >>Captain
> >>William Trevour as a witness, he had no problem.  So he knew of his
> >>whereabouts.
> >>
> >>David was "conversant" with the natives, but he was a wealthy merchant in
> >>Plymouth and would have known Gorges and the Indians that lived there.
> >>
> >>The weight of evidence still points to David Thomson as David of
> >>Corstorphine, Scotland.  His stepmother, Agnes Fouls' niece was married to
> >>the King's lawyer, Thomas Hamilton who was the Sec'y of State of Scotland
> >>at
> >>the time of David's grants.  David Thomson's step-brother was Adam
> >>Hepburn,
> >>clerk to the Sec'y of State and later a Senator in Scotland.  It is said
> >>that King James ruled Scotland by the pen - he gave direct orders to
> >>Hamilton who basically ran Scotland in James' absence while serving as
> >>King
> >>of England.  (He was the de-facto King.) The Foulis family and their
> >>relatives lent money and the Crown Jewels to the King.  The Queen was in
> >>debt to them up to her eyebrows.  David Thomson was a part of that family!
> >>Yes, he was treated with favor.
> >>
> >>James died in 1625 as did Lennox and a few other lynchpins.  Arundel was
> >>sent to the tower - that's why he didn't answer David right away.  Poison
> >>may have been involved in a few of the deaths - possibly even the King -
> >>according to his physician.  At that point there was a reversal of fortune
> >>and the rest is history as they say.
> >>
> >>I have two books that I need to get out ASAP and then I start on a book
> >>about David.  Possible title:  Searching for David (died about 1628)
> >>
> >>Genevieve
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Jack Savidge" <jsavidge at pacbell.net>
> >>To: "'Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendantsand
> >>researchers.'" <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:42 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
> >>
> >>
> >> > And I thought this forum was not active - wonderful to be able to
> >> > discuss
> >> > David & John Thomson.
> >> >
> >> > Question #1- Has the wife of John Thomson, son of David, been uncovered
> >> > or
> >> > validated. A David Thomson book, "The First Yankee" infers that she was
> >> > Sarah Trevore, daughter of Mayflower seaman William Travore (Travour)?
> >> >
> >> > Question #2 - Philbrick's book, Mayflower, makes much of Squanto
> >> > sauntering
> >> > into Plymouth speaking near perfect English. Sir Gorges memoirs note he
> >> > assigned the task to teach Squanto English to "his servant" who it
> >> > could
> >> > be
> >> > surmised was David T. Why have not the historians come forward to place
> >> > credit for Squanto's  life sustaining actions to the Pilgrims where it
> >> > may
> >> > belong?
> >> >
> >> > Hope we can keep this up. I too stem from John to John to John ....
> >> >
> >> > Thanks all,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Jack Savidge
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com
> >> > [mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com] On Behalf Of
> >> > gcfraser at peoplepc.com
> >> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:10 PM
> >> > To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
> >> > andresearchers.
> >> > Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
> >> >
> >> > Miles might be related to David.  John was his eldest.
> >> >
> >> > What is William Thomson's line of descent?  Where was he born?
> >> >
> >> > By the way, here's another tidbit!!  William Crowne (considered to a
> >> > founder
> >> >
> >> > of Mendon) and John Thomson Sr. did not get along.  David Thomson's
> >> > letter
> >> > to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship to
> >> > him.
> >> > William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas
> >> > Howard,
> >> >
> >> > the Earl and got his start through him.  When Thomas was in trouble
> >> > with
> >> > the
> >> >
> >> > authorities, William Crowne betrayed him.  That might be at the base of
> >> > John's distrust of him.
> >> >
> >> > Genevieve
> >> > PS  I have a distant cousin, David Thomson, around somewhere but his
> >> > mother
> >> > must have died, I cannot contact her to get her son to have the DNA
> >> > test.
> >> >
> >> > PSS I was at the Getty Museum library in CA and found a book which
> >> > details
> >> > the issue of William Crowne (later of Mendon).  The famous painting of
> >> > Thomas Howard by Van Dyke is at the Getty.  There are also
> >> > markings/symbols
> >> > in the painting that look somewhat Masonic.  According to his bio,
> >> > Thomas
> >> > Howard became head of the Masons in 1632 in London.  He also sponsored
> >> > the
> >> > builders and sculptors and was chair of the London building committee
> >> > after
> >> > the fire that burnt the Banquet -hall.  David'd letter begins by
> >> > talking
> >> > about marble samples he sent the Earl.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "James Thompson" <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net>
> >> > To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> >> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:50 PM
> >> > Subject: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail
> >> >>to
> >> >>the
> >> >> 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to
> >> >> either
> >> >> of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest.
> >> >> However,
> >> >> rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the
> >> >> list
> >> >> that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
> >> >>
> >> >>                1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
> >> >>
> >> >>                2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
> >> >>
> >> >>      These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a
> >> >> relatively
> >> >> simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I
> >> >> will
> >> >> submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there
> >> >> is
> >> >> support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish
> >> >> descendants
> >> >> (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be
> >> >> confirmed
> >> >> by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by
> >> >> descendants
> >> >> of Miles Thompson.
> >> >>
> >> >>          Is there any response?
> >> >>
> >> >>                    Jim Thompson, in Dallas
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: <dethom at tds.net>
> >> >> To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
> >> >> Subject: [Tommies] DNA
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Hi Tommies,
> >> >>> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their
> >> >>> DNA.
> >> >>> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are
> >> >>> firth
> >> >>> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common
> >> >>> ancestry
> >> >>> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we
> >> >>> know
> >> >>> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check
> >> >>> familytreeDNA
> >> >>> and go to the surname list Thompson.
> >> >>> Don Thompson
> >> >>> _______________________________________________
> >> >>> Tommies mailing list
> >> >>> Tommies at wellswooster.com
> >> >>> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Tommies mailing list
> >> >> Tommies at wellswooster.com
> >> >> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Tommies mailing list
> >> > Tommies at wellswooster.com
> >> > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Tommies mailing list
> >> > Tommies at wellswooster.com
> >> > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> >> >
> >>
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> >
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> >
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From gcfraser at peoplepc.com  Wed Jun  6 20:03:28 2007
From: gcfraser at peoplepc.com (gcfraser at peoplepc.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 20:03:28 -0400
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
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Sorry, I'm confusing the Alices.
Genevieve


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alyce Elliott" <aete at northnet.org>
To: "Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants 
andresearchers." <tommies at wellswooster.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA


> That's Alice Paladini, who I hope to visit sometime, too.  --Alyce Elliott
>
> At 02:20 PM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
>>Much of my research is primary source.  I have had 4 articles published to
>>date but had stopped serious work since I began writing the WW II saga, In
>>the Claw of the Tiger - hopefully out by September.
>>
>>Good to hear from you.  I need to visit with my digital camera.  It would 
>>be
>>good to see you again.  Are you still in Mendon?
>>
>>Genevieve
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Alyce Elliott" <aete at northnet.org>
>>To: "Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
>>andresearchers." <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:16 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>>
>>
>> > Do you have any book completed to date, Gen, or will the two you
>> > refer to be the first?  Are they Thompson related or another branch
>> > of research?  Please keep the list posted.  I am very interested in
>> > securing copies of any Thompson book.  I know the diligent research
>> > and travel you've been committed to since I've had contact with you
>> > via this list; most impressive!
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Alyce Thompson Elliott
>> >
>> > At 10:31 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
>> >>Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never uncovered any primary
>> >>source document anywhere (America, Scotland, England) that indicates 
>> >>that
>> >>Mr. David Thomson, Gent. - a Scotsman by all accounts- was ever a 
>> >>servant
>> >>of
>> >>Sir Ferdinando Gorges.  Everything written on that account is 
>> >>speculation.
>> >>Sir Ferdinando was invited to speak before Parliament - to answer 
>> >>charges
>> >>that he was engaging in monopolistic practices.  David spoke before the
>> >>Privy Council (the King's top Lords) and was assigned tasks by them on
>> >>behalf of the King.  In that sense, he was a servant of the Privy 
>> >>Council
>> >>or
>> >>it could be argued of King James.
>> >>
>> >>David worked with Sir Ferdinando - as the records indicate - in 
>> >>securing
>> >>the
>> >>business of the Council for New England but that is the only linkage I
>> >>have
>> >>found.  In his letter to the Earl of Arundel, David recommends Mason as 
>> >>a
>> >>governor but there is no indication that he worked for him either.  If
>> >>David
>> >>worked for anyone it was the Earl of Arundel - or he might simply have
>> >>been
>> >>helping him out in terms of accessing resources, such as marble or 
>> >>giving
>> >>him an account of the Council's investments.  He also performed legal 
>> >>and
>> >>managerial functions for the Council.  They refer to him as acting on
>> >>their
>> >>behalf as their attorney and as governor for the Massachusetts.  The
>> >>people
>> >>who signed this document were the King's cousin, Lennox - Arundel and 
>> >>the
>> >>Marquis Hamilton, also a Scotsman.  In that sense, David was a servant 
>> >>of
>> >>the Council - but strictly as a professional.
>> >>
>> >>I also believe that Sarah is a Trevour based on a marriage document I
>> >>unearthed from London.  But the writing is very difficult with odd 
>> >>letter
>> >>formations.  As the First Yankee affirms - when John needed to find
>> >>Captain
>> >>William Trevour as a witness, he had no problem.  So he knew of his
>> >>whereabouts.
>> >>
>> >>David was "conversant" with the natives, but he was a wealthy merchant 
>> >>in
>> >>Plymouth and would have known Gorges and the Indians that lived there.
>> >>
>> >>The weight of evidence still points to David Thomson as David of
>> >>Corstorphine, Scotland.  His stepmother, Agnes Fouls' niece was married 
>> >>to
>> >>the King's lawyer, Thomas Hamilton who was the Sec'y of State of 
>> >>Scotland
>> >>at
>> >>the time of David's grants.  David Thomson's step-brother was Adam
>> >>Hepburn,
>> >>clerk to the Sec'y of State and later a Senator in Scotland.  It is 
>> >>said
>> >>that King James ruled Scotland by the pen - he gave direct orders to
>> >>Hamilton who basically ran Scotland in James' absence while serving as
>> >>King
>> >>of England.  (He was the de-facto King.) The Foulis family and their
>> >>relatives lent money and the Crown Jewels to the King.  The Queen was 
>> >>in
>> >>debt to them up to her eyebrows.  David Thomson was a part of that 
>> >>family!
>> >>Yes, he was treated with favor.
>> >>
>> >>James died in 1625 as did Lennox and a few other lynchpins.  Arundel 
>> >>was
>> >>sent to the tower - that's why he didn't answer David right away. 
>> >>Poison
>> >>may have been involved in a few of the deaths - possibly even the 
>> >>King -
>> >>according to his physician.  At that point there was a reversal of 
>> >>fortune
>> >>and the rest is history as they say.
>> >>
>> >>I have two books that I need to get out ASAP and then I start on a book
>> >>about David.  Possible title:  Searching for David (died about 1628)
>> >>
>> >>Genevieve
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Jack Savidge" <jsavidge at pacbell.net>
>> >>To: "'Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendantsand
>> >>researchers.'" <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>> >>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:42 AM
>> >>Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > And I thought this forum was not active - wonderful to be able to
>> >> > discuss
>> >> > David & John Thomson.
>> >> >
>> >> > Question #1- Has the wife of John Thomson, son of David, been 
>> >> > uncovered
>> >> > or
>> >> > validated. A David Thomson book, "The First Yankee" infers that she 
>> >> > was
>> >> > Sarah Trevore, daughter of Mayflower seaman William Travore 
>> >> > (Travour)?
>> >> >
>> >> > Question #2 - Philbrick's book, Mayflower, makes much of Squanto
>> >> > sauntering
>> >> > into Plymouth speaking near perfect English. Sir Gorges memoirs note 
>> >> > he
>> >> > assigned the task to teach Squanto English to "his servant" who it
>> >> > could
>> >> > be
>> >> > surmised was David T. Why have not the historians come forward to 
>> >> > place
>> >> > credit for Squanto's  life sustaining actions to the Pilgrims where 
>> >> > it
>> >> > may
>> >> > belong?
>> >> >
>> >> > Hope we can keep this up. I too stem from John to John to John ....
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks all,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Jack Savidge
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com
>> >> > [mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com] On Behalf Of
>> >> > gcfraser at peoplepc.com
>> >> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:10 PM
>> >> > To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
>> >> > andresearchers.
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>> >> >
>> >> > Miles might be related to David.  John was his eldest.
>> >> >
>> >> > What is William Thomson's line of descent?  Where was he born?
>> >> >
>> >> > By the way, here's another tidbit!!  William Crowne (considered to a
>> >> > founder
>> >> >
>> >> > of Mendon) and John Thomson Sr. did not get along.  David Thomson's
>> >> > letter
>> >> > to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship 
>> >> > to
>> >> > him.
>> >> > William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas
>> >> > Howard,
>> >> >
>> >> > the Earl and got his start through him.  When Thomas was in trouble
>> >> > with
>> >> > the
>> >> >
>> >> > authorities, William Crowne betrayed him.  That might be at the base 
>> >> > of
>> >> > John's distrust of him.
>> >> >
>> >> > Genevieve
>> >> > PS  I have a distant cousin, David Thomson, around somewhere but his
>> >> > mother
>> >> > must have died, I cannot contact her to get her son to have the DNA
>> >> > test.
>> >> >
>> >> > PSS I was at the Getty Museum library in CA and found a book which
>> >> > details
>> >> > the issue of William Crowne (later of Mendon).  The famous painting 
>> >> > of
>> >> > Thomas Howard by Van Dyke is at the Getty.  There are also
>> >> > markings/symbols
>> >> > in the painting that look somewhat Masonic.  According to his bio,
>> >> > Thomas
>> >> > Howard became head of the Masons in 1632 in London.  He also 
>> >> > sponsored
>> >> > the
>> >> > builders and sculptors and was chair of the London building 
>> >> > committee
>> >> > after
>> >> > the fire that burnt the Banquet -hall.  David'd letter begins by
>> >> > talking
>> >> > about marble samples he sent the Earl.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "James Thompson" <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net>
>> >> > To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>> >> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:50 PM
>> >> > Subject: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the 
>> >> >>E-mail
>> >> >>to
>> >> >>the
>> >> >> 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses 
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> either
>> >> >> of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest.
>> >> >> However,
>> >> >> rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on 
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> list
>> >> >> that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>                1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>                2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>      These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a
>> >> >> relatively
>> >> >> simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that 
>> >> >> there
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish
>> >> >> descendants
>> >> >> (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be
>> >> >> confirmed
>> >> >> by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by
>> >> >> descendants
>> >> >> of Miles Thompson.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>          Is there any response?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>                    Jim Thompson, in Dallas
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: <dethom at tds.net>
>> >> >> To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
>> >> >> Subject: [Tommies] DNA
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Hi Tommies,
>> >> >>> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing 
>> >> >>> their
>> >> >>> DNA.
>> >> >>> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are
>> >> >>> firth
>> >> >>> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common
>> >> >>> ancestry
>> >> >>> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now 
>> >> >>> we
>> >> >>> know
>> >> >>> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check
>> >> >>> familytreeDNA
>> >> >>> and go to the surname list Thompson.
>> >> >>> Don Thompson
>> >> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >> >>> Tommies mailing list
>> >> >>> Tommies at wellswooster.com
>> >> >>> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> Tommies mailing list
>> >> >> Tommies at wellswooster.com
>> >> >> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>> >> >
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > Tommies mailing list
>> >> > Tommies at wellswooster.com
>> >> > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>> >> >
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > Tommies mailing list
>> >> > Tommies at wellswooster.com
>> >> > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>_______________________________________________
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>> >>Tommies at wellswooster.com
>> >>http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > Tommies at wellswooster.com
>> > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>> >
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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From bryant at wellswooster.com  Sun Jun 10 10:03:05 2007
From: bryant at wellswooster.com (Don Bryant)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:03:05 -0400
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
In-Reply-To: <20070606094815.0KO3E.344852.root@webfep12>
References: <20070606084810.3MZZR.342867.root@webfep12>
	<20070606094815.0KO3E.344852.root@webfep12>
Message-ID: <001001c7ab68$146e9b50$0b0114ac@Chauncy>

Don,

Thanks for the detail on this. It is very interesting. I sure would
participate if I could! (I have no close male THOMPSON relatives)

Don Bryant


-----Original Message-----
From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com
[mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com] On Behalf Of dethom at tds.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:48 AM
To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants and
researchers.
Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA

Hi Tommies,
I'm glad to see all the interest in the DNA finally. However what I have
been reading leads me to believe most of you do not understand what it can
do and what it can not do. Ther are two books I would recommend if you are
really interested. "The Seven daughters of Eve" by Bryan Sykes and "Trace
Your Roots With DNA" by Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak and Ann Turner. Or
investigate three web sites FamilytreeDNA, Thompson Project Home page or the
Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation at SMGF.org. I have been involved
for several years and have purchased the 67 marker on FamiltreeDNA.

I made matches with three other Thompson's, but have only been able to find
a common ancestor with One Person and that was David Brent Thompson who is
one of our researchers. We matched on 34 out of 37 markers. Our common
ancestor is eight generations back, a William Thompson born in Massachusetts
in 1742. This means that my ancestors and David's back to William all have
at least 34 Y chromosomes ours. Although William has been dead 200 years we
do know his DNA, but not his fathers or any others of his ancestors. We are
still in the pioneering stage and it will take a lot more Tommies submitting
their DNA for us to get back to earlier generations.
Don 
--
Don Thompson
30 Locust Trail #20745
Jasper, GA 30143-7915

770-893-1881
dethom at tds.net

---- dethom at tds.net wrote: 
> Descendants of Wm. Thompson
> William Thompson b: 1742 Uxbridge, MA  M; Lydia Dyer
> William b: Northbridge, MA  1776-1864	Benjamin,  b: Alstead, NH 1774-1857
> Aaron b: , , NH 1807-1883 	Benjamin b: Gilsum. NH 1802-1850
> David b: St. Lawrence, NY  1838-1889	Osman b: Gilsum, NH 1839-1920
> Frank b: Richland, WI 1873-1958	Charles b: Mason City, IA 1869-1941
> Frederick b: Richland, WI 1900-1955	Lester b: Mason City, IA 1894-1970
> William b: Richland, WI 1920-1997	Donald b: Rapid City, SD 1924
> David Brent b: Richland, WI 1946	
> 	
> 
> --
> Don Thompson
> 30 Locust Trail #20745
> Jasper, GA 30143-7915
> 
> 770-893-1881
> dethom at tds.net
> 
> ---- gcfraser at peoplepc.com wrote: 
> > Miles might be related to David.  John was his eldest.
> > 
> > What is William Thomson's line of descent?  Where was he born?
> > 
> > By the way, here's another tidbit!!  William Crowne (considered to a
founder 
> > of Mendon) and John Thomson Sr. did not get along.  David Thomson's
letter 
> > to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship to
him. 
> > William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas
Howard, 
> > the Earl and got his start through him.  When Thomas was in trouble with
the 
> > authorities, William Crowne betrayed him.  That might be at the base of 
> > John's distrust of him.
> > 
> > Genevieve
> > PS  I have a distant cousin, David Thomson, around somewhere but his
mother 
> > must have died, I cannot contact her to get her son to have the DNA
test.
> > 
> > PSS I was at the Getty Museum library in CA and found a book which
details 
> > the issue of William Crowne (later of Mendon).  The famous painting of 
> > Thomas Howard by Van Dyke is at the Getty.  There are also
markings/symbols 
> > in the painting that look somewhat Masonic.  According to his bio,
Thomas 
> > Howard became head of the Masons in 1632 in London.  He also sponsored
the 
> > builders and sculptors and was chair of the London building committee
after 
> > the fire that burnt the Banquet -hall.  David'd letter begins by talking

> > about marble samples he sent the Earl.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "James Thompson" <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:50 PM
> > Subject: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
> > 
> > 
> > >I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail
to 
> > >the
> > > 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to 
> > > either
> > > of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest. 
> > > However,
> > > rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the

> > > list
> > > that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
> > >
> > >                1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
> > >
> > >                2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
> > >
> > >      These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a 
> > > relatively
> > > simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I
will
> > > submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there
is
> > > support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish 
> > > descendants
> > > (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be 
> > > confirmed
> > > by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by
descendants
> > > of Miles Thompson.
> > >
> > >          Is there any response?
> > >
> > >                    Jim Thompson, in Dallas
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: <dethom at tds.net>
> > > To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
> > > Subject: [Tommies] DNA
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hi Tommies,
> > >> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their
DNA.
> > >> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are
firth
> > >> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common
ancestry
> > >> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we
know
> > >> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check
familytreeDNA
> > >> and go to the surname list Thompson.
> > >> Don Thompson
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Tommies mailing list
> > >> Tommies at wellswooster.com
> > >> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Tommies mailing list
> > > Tommies at wellswooster.com
> > > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Tommies mailing list
> > Tommies at wellswooster.com
> > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Tommies at wellswooster.com
> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies


_______________________________________________
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From dethom at tds.net  Sun Jun 10 10:36:35 2007
From: dethom at tds.net (dethom at tds.net)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 9:36:35 -0500
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
In-Reply-To: <001001c7ab68$146e9b50$0b0114ac@Chauncy>
Message-ID: <20070610093635.4I5EW.421079.root@webfep13>

Don Bryant,
Do you have any male Thompson 1st cousin or nephews that would take the DNA?
Don
--
Don Thompson
30 Locust Trail #20745
Jasper, GA 30143-7915

770-893-1881
dethom at tds.net

---- Don Bryant <bryant at wellswooster.com> wrote: 
> Don,
> 
> Thanks for the detail on this. It is very interesting. I sure would
> participate if I could! (I have no close male THOMPSON relatives)
> 
> Don Bryant
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com
> [mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com] On Behalf Of dethom at tds.net
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:48 AM
> To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants and
> researchers.
> Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
> 
> Hi Tommies,
> I'm glad to see all the interest in the DNA finally. However what I have
> been reading leads me to believe most of you do not understand what it can
> do and what it can not do. Ther are two books I would recommend if you are
> really interested. "The Seven daughters of Eve" by Bryan Sykes and "Trace
> Your Roots With DNA" by Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak and Ann Turner. Or
> investigate three web sites FamilytreeDNA, Thompson Project Home page or the
> Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation at SMGF.org. I have been involved
> for several years and have purchased the 67 marker on FamiltreeDNA.
> 
> I made matches with three other Thompson's, but have only been able to find
> a common ancestor with One Person and that was David Brent Thompson who is
> one of our researchers. We matched on 34 out of 37 markers. Our common
> ancestor is eight generations back, a William Thompson born in Massachusetts
> in 1742. This means that my ancestors and David's back to William all have
> at least 34 Y chromosomes ours. Although William has been dead 200 years we
> do know his DNA, but not his fathers or any others of his ancestors. We are
> still in the pioneering stage and it will take a lot more Tommies submitting
> their DNA for us to get back to earlier generations.
> Don 
> --
> Don Thompson
> 30 Locust Trail #20745
> Jasper, GA 30143-7915
> 
> 770-893-1881
> dethom at tds.net
> 
> ---- dethom at tds.net wrote: 
> > Descendants of Wm. Thompson
> > William Thompson b: 1742 Uxbridge, MA  M; Lydia Dyer
> > William b: Northbridge, MA  1776-1864	Benjamin,  b: Alstead, NH 1774-1857
> > Aaron b: , , NH 1807-1883 	Benjamin b: Gilsum. NH 1802-1850
> > David b: St. Lawrence, NY  1838-1889	Osman b: Gilsum, NH 1839-1920
> > Frank b: Richland, WI 1873-1958	Charles b: Mason City, IA 1869-1941
> > Frederick b: Richland, WI 1900-1955	Lester b: Mason City, IA 1894-1970
> > William b: Richland, WI 1920-1997	Donald b: Rapid City, SD 1924
> > David Brent b: Richland, WI 1946	
> > 	
> > 
> > --
> > Don Thompson
> > 30 Locust Trail #20745
> > Jasper, GA 30143-7915
> > 
> > 770-893-1881
> > dethom at tds.net
> > 
> > ---- gcfraser at peoplepc.com wrote: 
> > > Miles might be related to David.  John was his eldest.
> > > 
> > > What is William Thomson's line of descent?  Where was he born?
> > > 
> > > By the way, here's another tidbit!!  William Crowne (considered to a
> founder 
> > > of Mendon) and John Thomson Sr. did not get along.  David Thomson's
> letter 
> > > to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship to
> him. 
> > > William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas
> Howard, 
> > > the Earl and got his start through him.  When Thomas was in trouble with
> the 
> > > authorities, William Crowne betrayed him.  That might be at the base of 
> > > John's distrust of him.
> > > 
> > > Genevieve
> > > PS  I have a distant cousin, David Thomson, around somewhere but his
> mother 
> > > must have died, I cannot contact her to get her son to have the DNA
> test.
> > > 
> > > PSS I was at the Getty Museum library in CA and found a book which
> details 
> > > the issue of William Crowne (later of Mendon).  The famous painting of 
> > > Thomas Howard by Van Dyke is at the Getty.  There are also
> markings/symbols 
> > > in the painting that look somewhat Masonic.  According to his bio,
> Thomas 
> > > Howard became head of the Masons in 1632 in London.  He also sponsored
> the 
> > > builders and sculptors and was chair of the London building committee
> after 
> > > the fire that burnt the Banquet -hall.  David'd letter begins by talking
> 
> > > about marble samples he sent the Earl.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "James Thompson" <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net>
> > > To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:50 PM
> > > Subject: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail
> to 
> > > >the
> > > > 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to 
> > > > either
> > > > of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest. 
> > > > However,
> > > > rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the
> 
> > > > list
> > > > that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
> > > >
> > > >                1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
> > > >
> > > >                2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
> > > >
> > > >      These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a 
> > > > relatively
> > > > simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I
> will
> > > > submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there
> is
> > > > support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish 
> > > > descendants
> > > > (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be 
> > > > confirmed
> > > > by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by
> descendants
> > > > of Miles Thompson.
> > > >
> > > >          Is there any response?
> > > >
> > > >                    Jim Thompson, in Dallas
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: <dethom at tds.net>
> > > > To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
> > > > Subject: [Tommies] DNA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Tommies,
> > > >> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their
> DNA.
> > > >> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are
> firth
> > > >> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common
> ancestry
> > > >> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we
> know
> > > >> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check
> familytreeDNA
> > > >> and go to the surname list Thompson.
> > > >> Don Thompson
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> Tommies mailing list
> > > >> Tommies at wellswooster.com
> > > >> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Tommies mailing list
> > > > Tommies at wellswooster.com
> > > > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Tommies mailing list
> > > Tommies at wellswooster.com
> > > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Tommies mailing list
> > Tommies at wellswooster.com
> > http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Tommies mailing list
> Tommies at wellswooster.com
> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From ginny111 at aol.com  Thu Jun 28 07:59:34 2007
From: ginny111 at aol.com (ginny111 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:59:34 -0400
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
In-Reply-To: <003701c7a840$847a7660$8d6f6320$@net>
References: <002701c7a6fa$b2b28ff0$667ba8c0@JimsPC>	<001301c7a70e$4e525db0$0b00a8c0@YOUR8E5CB830F1>
	<003701c7a840$847a7660$8d6f6320$@net>
Message-ID: <8C98792EDF7D1BE-1354-35F1@WEBMAIL-RE04.sysops.aol.com>

Hi:
I just was checking aol and found your message.? Please change my e-mail address from ginny111 at aol.com to ginny111 at comcast,net.

Thanks
Ginny Thompson

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Savidge <jsavidge at pacbell.net>
Bcc: ginny111 at aol.com
Sent: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 9:42 am
Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA



And I thought this forum was not active - wonderful to be able to discuss
David & John Thomson.

Question #1- Has the wife of John Thomson, son of David, been uncovered or
validated. A David Thomson book, "The First Yankee" infers that she was
Sarah Trevore, daughter of Mayflower seaman William Travore (Travour)?

Question #2 - Philbrick's book, Mayflower, makes much of Squanto sauntering
into Plymouth speaking near perfect English. Sir Gorges memoirs note he
assigned the task to teach Squanto English to "his servant" who it could be
surmised was David T. Why have not the historians come forward to place
credit for Squanto's  life sustaining actions to the Pilgrims where it may
belong?

Hope we can keep this up. I too stem from John to John to John ....

Thanks all,


Jack Savidge




-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com] On Behalf Of gcfraser at peoplepc.com
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:10 PM
To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
andresearchers.
Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA

Miles might be related to David.  John was his eldest.

What is William Thomson's line of descent?  Where was he born?

By the way, here's another tidbit!!  William Crowne (considered to a founder

of Mendon) and John Thomson Sr. did not get along.  David Thomson's letter 
to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship to him. 
William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas Howard,

the Earl and got his start through him.  When Thomas was in trouble with the

authorities, William Crowne betrayed him.  That might be at the base of 
John's distrust of him.

Genevieve
PS  I have a distant cousin, David Thomson, around somewhere but his mother 
must have died, I cannot contact her to get her son to have the DNA test.

PSS I was at the Getty Museum library in CA and found a book which details 
the issue of William Crowne (later of Mendon).  The famous painting of 
Thomas Howard by Van Dyke is at the Getty.  There are also markings/symbols 
in the painting that look somewhat Masonic.  According to his bio, Thomas 
Howard became head of the Masons in 1632 in London.  He also sponsored the 
builders and sculptors and was chair of the London building committee after 
the fire that burnt the Banquet -hall.  David'd letter begins by talking 
about marble samples he sent the Earl.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Thompson" <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net>
To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:50 PM
Subject: [Tommies] Fw: DNA


>I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail to 
>the
> 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to 
> either
> of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest. 
> However,
> rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the 
> list
> that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
>
>                1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
>
>                2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
>
>      These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a 
> relatively
> simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I will
> submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there is
> support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish 
> descendants
> (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be 
> confirmed
> by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by descendants
> of Miles Thompson.
>
>          Is there any response?
>
>                    Jim Thompson, in Dallas
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <dethom at tds.net>
> To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
> Subject: [Tommies] DNA
>
>
>> Hi Tommies,
>> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their DNA.
>> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are firth
>> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common ancestry
>> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we know
>> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check familytreeDNA
>> and go to the surname list Thompson.
>> Don Thompson
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From ginny111 at aol.com  Thu Jun 28 08:04:01 2007
From: ginny111 at aol.com (ginny111 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:04:01 -0400
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
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Hi:
I was just checking my old e-mail address and found your message.? Please change my address from ginny111 at aol.com to ginny111 at comcast.net.? 
Thanks
Ginny Thompson
The full blooded Thompson, Mom was Thompson before marriage as was, of course, Dad and now me.? No known relationship between the Thompson's of my immediate family.? How would you like to do research on this situation???



-----Original Message-----
From: morrisb <morrisb at libcoop.net>
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Sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 8:35 pm
Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA



Dear Jim -- and all the Tommies,
  How nice to have this exchange that seems to be drawing some of us Tommies
out of the woodwork!
  I would like to see a DNA study done that might show that those of us who
descend from John also descend from David.  I hadn't realized that there
were known Scottish descendants of David whose DNA would be helpful to us.
  My own last male Thompson was Micah (Benoni, Samuel,  John, John, John,
David) who died in 1872.  I  have never attempted to trace his male
descendants who might be useful for DNA purposes.  So I have no DNA to
contribute.  But I am willing to chip in if that would help.  I would love
to find information to lend weight to our belief that David was the father
of our John.

Betty Lou Morris
Mount Clemens, MI

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From: ginny111 at aol.com (ginny111 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:48:20 -0400
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
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Please change my e-mail address to ginny111 at comcast.net.

Thanks loads

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-----Original Message-----
From: gcfraser at peoplepc.com
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Sent: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 8:03 pm
Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA




Sorry, I'm confusing the Alices.
Genevieve


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alyce Elliott" <aete at northnet.org>
To: "Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants 
andresearchers." <tommies at wellswooster.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA


> That's Alice Paladini, who I hope to visit sometime, too.  --Alyce Elliott
>
> At 02:20 PM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
>>Much of my research is primary source.  I have had 4 articles published to
>>date but had stopped serious work since I began writing the WW II saga, In
>>the Claw of the Tiger - hopefully out by September.
>>
>>Good to hear from you.  I need to visit with my digital camera.  It would 
>>be
>>good to see you again.  Are you still in Mendon?
>>
>>Genevieve
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Alyce Elliott" <aete at northnet.org>
>>To: "Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
>>andresearchers." <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:16 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>>
>>
>> > Do you have any book completed to date, Gen, or will the two you
>> > refer to be the first?  Are they Thompson related or another branch
>> > of research?  Please keep the list posted.  I am very interested in
>> > securing copies of any Thompson book.  I know the diligent research
>> > and travel you've been committed to since I've had contact with you
>> > via this list; most impressive!
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Alyce Thompson Elliott
>> >
>> > At 10:31 AM 6/6/2007, you wrote:
>> >>Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never uncovered any primary
>> >>source document anywhere (America, Scotland, England) that indicates 
>> >>that
>> >>Mr. David Thomson, Gent. - a Scotsman by all accounts- was ever a 
>> >>servant
>> >>of
>> >>Sir Ferdinando Gorges.  Everything written on that account is 
>> >>speculation.
>> >>Sir Ferdinando was invited to speak before Parliament - to answer 
>> >>charges
>> >>that he was engaging in monopolistic practices.  David spoke before the
>> >>Privy Council (the King's top Lords) and was assigned tasks by them on
>> >>behalf of the King.  In that sense, he was a servant of the Privy 
>> >>Council
>> >>or
>> >>it could be argued of King James.
>> >>
>> >>David worked with Sir Ferdinando - as the records indicate - in 
>> >>securing
>> >>the
>> >>business of the Council for New England but that is the only linkage I
>> >>have
>> >>found.  In his letter to the Earl of Arundel, David recommends Mason as 
>> >>a
>> >>governor but there is no indication that he worked for him either.  If
>> >>David
>> >>worked for anyone it was the Earl of Arundel - or he might simply have
>> >>been
>> >>helping him out in terms of accessing resources, such as marble or 
>> >>giving
>> >>him an account of the Council's investments.  He also performed legal 
>> >>and
>> >>managerial functions for the Council.  They refer to him as acting on
>> >>their
>> >>behalf as their attorney and as governor for the Massachusetts.  The
>> >>people
>> >>who signed this document were the King's cousin, Lennox - Arundel and 
>> >>the
>> >>Marquis Hamilton, also a Scotsman.  In that sense, David was a servant 
>> >>of
>> >>the Council - but strictly as a professional.
>> >>
>> >>I also believe that Sarah is a Trevour based on a marriage document I
>> >>unearthed from London.  But the writing is very difficult with odd 
>> >>letter
>> >>formations.  As the First Yankee affirms - when John needed to find
>> >>Captain
>> >>William Trevour as a witness, he had no problem.  So he knew of his
>> >>whereabouts.
>> >>
>> >>David was "conversant" with the natives, but he was a wealthy merchant 
>> >>in
>> >>Plymouth and would have known Gorges and the Indians that lived there.
>> >>
>> >>The weight of evidence still points to David Thomson as David of
>> >>Corstorphine, Scotland.  His stepmother, Agnes Fouls' niece was married 
>> >>to
>> >>the King's lawyer, Thomas Hamilton who was the Sec'y of State of 
>> >>Scotland
>> >>at
>> >>the time of David's grants.  David Thomson's step-brother was Adam
>> >>Hepburn,
>> >>clerk to the Sec'y of State and later a Senator in Scotland.  It is 
>> >>said
>> >>that King James ruled Scotland by the pen - he gave direct orders to
>> >>Hamilton who basically ran Scotland in James' absence while serving as
>> >>King
>> >>of England.  (He was the de-facto King.) The Foulis family and their
>> >>relatives lent money and the Crown Jewels to the King.  The Queen was 
>> >>in
>> >>debt to them up to her eyebrows.  David Thomson was a part of that 
>> >>family!
>> >>Yes, he was treated with favor.
>> >>
>> >>James died in 1625 as did Lennox and a few other lynchpins.  Arundel 
>> >>was
>> >>sent to the tower - that's why he didn't answer David right away. 
>> >>Poison
>> >>may have been involved in a few of the deaths - possibly even the 
>> >>King -
>> >>according to his physician.  At that point there was a reversal of 
>> >>fortune
>> >>and the rest is history as they say.
>> >>
>> >>I have two books that I need to get out ASAP and then I start on a book
>> >>about David.  Possible title:  Searching for David (died about 1628)
>> >>
>> >>Genevieve
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Jack Savidge" <jsavidge at pacbell.net>
>> >>To: "'Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendantsand
>> >>researchers.'" <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>> >>Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:42 AM
>> >>Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > And I thought this forum was not active - wonderful to be able to
>> >> > discuss
>> >> > David & John Thomson.
>> >> >
>> >> > Question #1- Has the wife of John Thomson, son of David, been 
>> >> > uncovered
>> >> > or
>> >> > validated. A David Thomson book, "The First Yankee" infers that she 
>> >> > was
>> >> > Sarah Trevore, daughter of Mayflower seaman William Travore 
>> >> > (Travour)?
>> >> >
>> >> > Question #2 - Philbrick's book, Mayflower, makes much of Squanto
>> >> > sauntering
>> >> > into Plymouth speaking near perfect English. Sir Gorges memoirs note 
>> >> > he
>> >> > assigned the task to teach Squanto English to "his servant" who it
>> >> > could
>> >> > be
>> >> > surmised was David T. Why have not the historians come forward to 
>> >> > place
>> >> > credit for Squanto's  life sustaining actions to the Pilgrims where 
>> >> > it
>> >> > may
>> >> > belong?
>> >> >
>> >> > Hope we can keep this up. I too stem from John to John to John ....
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks all,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Jack Savidge
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com
>> >> > [mailto:tommies-bounces at wellswooster.com] On Behalf Of
>> >> > gcfraser at peoplepc.com
>> >> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:10 PM
>> >> > To: Discussion list for David THOMSON & Amias COLE descendants
>> >> > andresearchers.
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>> >> >
>> >> > Miles might be related to David.  John was his eldest.
>> >> >
>> >> > What is William Thomson's line of descent?  Where was he born?
>> >> >
>> >> > By the way, here's another tidbit!!  William Crowne (considered to a
>> >> > founder
>> >> >
>> >> > of Mendon) and John Thomson Sr. did not get along.  David Thomson's
>> >> > letter
>> >> > to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship 
>> >> > to
>> >> > him.
>> >> > William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas
>> >> > Howard,
>> >> >
>> >> > the Earl and got his start through him.  When Thomas was in trouble
>> >> > with
>> >> > the
>> >> >
>> >> > authorities, William Crowne betrayed him.  That might be at the base 
>> >> > of
>> >> > John's distrust of him.
>> >> >
>> >> > Genevieve
>> >> > PS  I have a distant cousin, David Thomson, around somewhere but his
>> >> > mother
>> >> > must have died, I cannot contact her to get her son to have the DNA
>> >> > test.
>> >> >
>> >> > PSS I was at the Getty Museum library in CA and found a book which
>> >> > details
>> >> > the issue of William Crowne (later of Mendon).  The famous painting 
>> >> > of
>> >> > Thomas Howard by Van Dyke is at the Getty.  There are also
>> >> > markings/symbols
>> >> > in the painting that look somewhat Masonic.  According to his bio,
>> >> > Thomas
>> >> > Howard became head of the Masons in 1632 in London.  He also 
>> >> > sponsored
>> >> > the
>> >> > builders and sculptors and was chair of the London building 
>> >> > committee
>> >> > after
>> >> > the fire that burnt the Banquet -hall.  David'd letter begins by
>> >> > talking
>> >> > about marble samples he sent the Earl.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "James Thompson" <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net>
>> >> > To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>> >> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:50 PM
>> >> > Subject: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the 
>> >> >>E-mail
>> >> >>to
>> >> >>the
>> >> >> 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses 
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> either
>> >> >> of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest.
>> >> >> However,
>> >> >> rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on 
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> list
>> >> >> that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>                1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>                2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>      These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a
>> >> >> relatively
>> >> >> simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that 
>> >> >> there
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish
>> >> >> descendants
>> >> >> (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be
>> >> >> confirmed
>> >> >> by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by
>> >> >> descendants
>> >> >> of Miles Thompson.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>          Is there any response?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>                    Jim Thompson, in Dallas
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: <dethom at tds.net>
>> >> >> To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
>> >> >> Subject: [Tommies] DNA
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Hi Tommies,
>> >> >>> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing 
>> >> >>> their
>> >> >>> DNA.
>> >> >>> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are
>> >> >>> firth
>> >> >>> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common
>> >> >>> ancestry
>> >> >>> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now 
>> >> >>> we
>> >> >>> know
>> >> >>> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check
>> >> >>> familytreeDNA
>> >> >>> and go to the surname list Thompson.
>> >> >>> Don Thompson
>> >> >>> _______________________________________________
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>> >> >>> Tommies at wellswooster.com
>> >> >>> http://lists.hostedbyisg.com/mailman/listinfo/tommies
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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>> >>
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From ginny111 at aol.com  Thu Jun 28 07:55:56 2007
From: ginny111 at aol.com (ginny111 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:55:56 -0400
Subject: [Tommies] Fw:  DNA
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Hi:
Glad to hear from you.
Please change my e-mail address from ginny111 at aol.com to ginny111 at comcast.net.? I just by change check aol and found your message.
Thanks
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The full blooded Thompson,? Mom was a Thompson before marriage as was Dad, of course, no know relationship


-----Original Message-----
From: dethom at tds.net
Bcc: ginny111 at aol.com
Sent: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:48 am
Subject: Re: [Tommies] Fw: DNA



Hi Tommies,
'm glad to see all the interest in the DNA finally. However what I have been 
eading leads me to believe most of you do not understand what it can do and 
hat it can not do. Ther are two books I would recommend if you are really 
nterested. "The Seven daughters of Eve" by Bryan Sykes and "Trace Your Roots 
ith DNA" by Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak and Ann Turner. Or investigate three web 
ites FamilytreeDNA, Thompson Project Home page or the Sorenson Molecular 
enealogy Foundation at SMGF.org. I have been involved for several years and 
ave purchased the 67 marker on FamiltreeDNA.
I made matches with three other Thompson?s, but have only been able to find a 
ommon ancestor with One Person and that was David Brent Thompson who is one of 
ur researchers. We matched on 34 out of 37 markers. Our common ancestor is 
ight generations back, a William Thompson born in Massachusetts in 1742. This 
eans that my ancestors and David?s back to William all have at least 34 Y 
hromosomes ours. Although William has been dead 200 years we do know his DNA, 
ut not his fathers or any others of his ancestors. We are still in the 
ioneering stage and it will take a lot more Tommies submitting their DNA for us 
o get back to earlier generations.
on 
-
on Thompson
0 Locust Trail #20745
asper, GA 30143-7915
770-893-1881
ethom at tds.net
---- dethom at tds.net wrote: 
 Descendants of Wm. Thompson
 William Thompson b: 1742 Uxbridge, MA  M; Lydia Dyer
 William b: Northbridge, MA  1776-1864 Benjamin,  b: Alstead, NH 1774-1857
 Aaron b: , , NH 1807-1883     Benjamin b: Gilsum. NH 1802-1850
 David b: St. Lawrence, NY  1838-1889  Osman b: Gilsum, NH 1839-1920
 Frank b: Richland, WI 1873-1958   Charles b: Mason City, IA 1869-1941
 Frederick b: Richland, WI 1900-1955   Lester b: Mason City, IA 1894-1970
 William b: Richland, WI 1920-1997 Donald b: Rapid City, SD 1924
 David Brent b: Richland, WI 1946  
   
 
 --
 Don Thompson
 30 Locust Trail #20745
 Jasper, GA 30143-7915
 
 770-893-1881
 dethom at tds.net
 
 ---- gcfraser at peoplepc.com wrote: 
 > Miles might be related to David.  John was his eldest.
 > 
 > What is William Thomson's line of descent?  Where was he born?
 > 
 > By the way, here's another tidbit!!  William Crowne (considered to a founder 
> > of Mendon) and John Thomson Sr. did not get along.  David Thomson's letter 
 > to Thomas Howard, the Earl of Arundel proves his close relationship to him. 
 > William Crowne in his younger days was a "servant" - clerk to Thomas Howard, 
> > the Earl and got his start through him.  When Thomas was in trouble with the 
> > authorities, William Crowne betrayed him.  That might be at the base of 
 > John's distrust of him.
 > 
 > Genevieve
 > PS  I have a distant cousin, David Thomson, around somewhere but his mother 
 > must have died, I cannot contact her to get her son to have the DNA test.
 > 
 > PSS I was at the Getty Museum library in CA and found a book which details 
 > the issue of William Crowne (later of Mendon).  The famous painting of 
 > Thomas Howard by Van Dyke is at the Getty.  There are also markings/symbols 
 > in the painting that look somewhat Masonic.  According to his bio, Thomas 
 > Howard became head of the Masons in 1632 in London.  He also sponsored the 
 > builders and sculptors and was chair of the London building committee after 
 > the fire that burnt the Banquet -hall.  David'd letter begins by talking 
 > about marble samples he sent the Earl.
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > ----- Original Message ----- 
 > From: "James Thompson" <j.e.thompson at sbcglobal.net>
 > To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
 > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:50 PM
 > Subject: [Tommies] Fw: DNA
 > 
 > 
 > >I recently posted a message entitled 'DNA" as my answer to the E-mail to 
 > >the
 > > 'Tommies' in regard to DNA testing.  I haven't seen any responses to 
 > > either
 > > of   the messages, so I assume there is a total lack of interest. 
 > > However,
 > > rather than let it go entirely, I would like to remind everyone on the 
 > > list
 > > that  the two questions  that can be answered by DNA testing are:
 > >
 > >                1.  Was MilesThompson the son of David Thompson?
 > >
 > >                2.  Was John Thompson the son of David Thompson?
 > >
 > >      These relationships have been questioned in the past, and a 
 > > relatively
 > > simple DNA test program can be designed to answer the questions.  I will
 > > submit to a DNA test, if others are interested to the point that there is
 > > support for such a program.  Clearly, the assistance of Scottish 
 > > descendants
 > > (there are at least two in America) could establish a line, to be 
 > > confirmed
 > > by descendants of David, and a similar test to be performed by descendants
 > > of Miles Thompson.
 > >
 > >          Is there any response?
 > >
 > >                    Jim Thompson, in Dallas
 > >
 > > ----- Original Message ----- 
 > > From: <dethom at tds.net>
 > > To: <tommies at wellswooster.com>
 > > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:13 AM
 > > Subject: [Tommies] DNA
 > >
 > >
 > >> Hi Tommies,
 > >> I am hopping more Thompson males will be interested in knowing their DNA.
 > >> David Brent Thompson and I matched on 34 out of 27 markers. We are firth
 > >> cousins, once removed. The unusal find was that are first common ancestry
 > >> is eight generations back to Willliam Thompson born in 1741. Now we know
 > >> his DNA and everyone inbetween. If you are interested check familytreeDNA
 > >> and go to the surname list Thompson.
 > >> Don Thompson
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